Re: [Ambassadors] How to be a Mentor?
by Viji V Nair
Hi
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Onyeibo Oku <twohot(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 20:59 +0530, "Rahul Sundaram"
> <metherid(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> If the packages you are
>> interested in cannot be within the standard repositories, you are
>> free to package it in a third party repo and you don't have to
>> wait for any period at all. However if you have the knowledge
>> and interest to maintain packages,I would invite you to maintain
>> some packages in the official repository or participate in the
>> review process. Although unofficial/ experimental packages can
>> play a useful role in the Fedora community, mentors would likely
>> be feel more confident with work being done within the standard
>> repositories. Besides, participation in processes such as
>> package reviews helps you gain the knowledge necessary to do
>> packaging better over time and is a individual benefit regardless
>> of all this. Hope that helps.
>
> +1, I second that.
>
> On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 21:05 +0530, "Viji V Nair" <viji(a)fedoraproject.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Will do that in any case, you should at-least consider to give some
>> exceptions of thase kind of "rules" in countries like India at-least
>> where the promotional stuffs are much less.
>
> You should visit some African Countries for comparison. India is having
> it so good.
> An ambassador makes the most of what is available to him/her.
>
>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Viji V Nair wrote:
>> This is not true, we are not expecting any respect, but please don't
>> insult. Mentors from India is questioning our intention of
>> contribution, which is an big insult. According to them we are all
>> doing this just for a "name".
>
> You are very upset but don't let your emotions colour your response.
> When someone questions my authenticity, I am compelled to prove myself
> beyond doubt. You should understand ... I've been humiliated at
> airports for being Nigerian. Why? Nigerians are popular for fraud. So
> should I blow steam when security decides to perform an extensive check
> on me just because I'm different? That won't get me anywhere. If you
> are not doing it for "name" or "fame" then laugh it off and prove
> yourself. Impress your mentor. You are NOT licking his boots ... you
> are showing who you are: An asset!.
>
I am not emotional, just wanted to mention the attitude. Without
knowing the person and what he is upto, making such kind of statement
is ridiculous and childish.
I dont want to prove to anybody with these kind of attitude, just
ignoring them. I feel like I have applied US visa from a terrorist
country :)
> Anyway 6 months is a long wait. Its like waiting for the next release
> ... that is not an easy test.
>
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>
13 years, 5 months
Re: [Ambassadors] How to be a Mentor?
by Marcus Moeller
Dear Joerg,
> And there is nothing that put FAmSCo in a form of inner circle or
> whatever you always talking about, transparence is something we strive
> and also have improved during the last FAmSCo period - just read our
> monthly Reports, where we show our work - or see our struggle in opening
> the famsco-trac instance or that we opened the FAmSCo ML archives? Do
> you know about the Ambassadors/FAmSCo processes well enough to claim
> such things?
Of course FAmSCo is very transparent, only the process of becoming a
mentor is not imho.
> Once again the FAmSCo list archives are open - the FAmSCo meetings are
> as well - and as already pointed out - a lot opportunities to bring your
> points to the table - do you read the links i posted - where have you
> been - during our stuggle to do the right thing with
> membership/mentoring management - to put this in question now that we
> established it and shaped it up?
I stepped in later, sorry for that, and the question about the
criteria of becoming a mentor has not been raised by me. I just want
to make sure that it's always possible to re-think a process.
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Marcus
13 years, 5 months
Re: [Ambassadors] How to be a Mentor?
by Joerg Simon
Am 30.10.2010 09:18, schrieb Marcus Moeller:
> Dear Joerg,
>
>>> Not such an inner-circle (and please note, I know what I am
>>> talking about because in CentOS it's nearly the same)
>>
>> then why do you run for FAmSCo?
>
> Because I want to establish as transparent processes as possible. (and
> that's what I am working on in CentOS, too). In CentOS things also
> look a bit different, e.g. to become a member of the QA team you have
> to be 'invented' by the inner circle (which is the totally wrong
> approach imho)
Where is the mentoring appointment process intransparent? Because FAmSCo
vote´s for new mentors - this is discussed and done in public? Or
because they have to work together with existing mentors - you can see
their work in the fama trac instance?
And there is nothing that put FAmSCo in a form of inner circle or
whatever you always talking about, transparence is something we strive
and also have improved during the last FAmSCo period - just read our
monthly Reports, where we show our work - or see our struggle in opening
the famsco-trac instance or that we opened the FAmSCo ML archives? Do
you know about the Ambassadors/FAmSCo processes well enough to claim
such things?
Once again the FAmSCo list archives are open - the FAmSCo meetings are
as well - and as already pointed out - a lot opportunities to bring your
points to the table - do you read the links i posted - where have you
been - during our stuggle to do the right thing with
membership/mentoring management - to put this in question now that we
established it and shaped it up?
cu Joerg
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13 years, 5 months
Re: [Ambassadors] How to be a Mentor?
by Marcus Moeller
Dear Joerg,
>> so anyone who is interested could step up and join
>
> i disagree here, people do not get appointed to this role by a rulebook
> and membership management (focus the Ambassdors Group) is not our main
> purpose
>
> mentoring itself is - i say it again - the job of Ambassadors anyway!
That's true but new Ambassadors are pointed to the listed contacts
first, and maybe someone else/new wants to be in place here, too.
I personally would suggest to define fixed number of slots for mentors
(based on the numbers of Ambassador approvals in the region) and if
one becomes unavailable a new one could apply for that. To make this
happen, there must be some kind of rules which have to been fulfilled
(and if the only rule is: describe briefly why you want to become a
mentor).
Greets
Marcus
13 years, 5 months
A friendly reminder that the APAC meeting will be on Sunday, October 31st, 2010 at 03:00 UTC. :)
by David Ramsey
Hello Everyone,
A friendly reminder that the APAC meeting will be on Sunday, October 31st, 2010 at 03:00 UTC. :)
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A friendly reminder that the APAC meeting will be on Sunday, November 07th 2010 at 03:00 UTC. :)
by David Ramsey
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A friendly reminder that the APAC meeting will be on Sunday, November 07th 2010 at 03:00 UTC. :)
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