I have some problems with the definitions of the 4f's.
friends - this is a clear thing , we are all friends, the world is
pink and there are no conflicts (until proven otherwise)
features - is a clear thing to, fedora is a distribution huge amount
of features (perhaps not enough features ;-) we need more).
first - there is my first problem. This is like a racing duel with
other distributions. We can not win on all sectors. This is more a
destination, our goal.... We WANT to be the first, but we are not
always the first.
freedom - This one is my biggest problem. What's the definition of freedom?
The definition of freedom, which was definied by the FSF, formed the
understanding of freedom in the whole world. And the FSF (Richard
Stallman himself) said, that fedora is not free. So what's the current
understanding of freedom in the fedoraproject?
I haven't found arguments to discuss with someone about it.
Josephine "Fine" Tannhäuser
I have been lurking here for a couple of weeks but don't remember if I
I am Justin O'Brien but most people know me as threethirty. I'm a
recent Fedora convert, but I have been using GNU+Linux for almost a
decade now. I don't know what all you want to know so ill try to keep
Fedora Ambassador in training [I'm one of Nally's people so blame him
also I run a Free Software/Free Culture thinktank called
NumberedHumanIndustires or [NHI], its half LUG, half hackerspace, and
half way to get business discounts I don't really deserve.
If you want to chat outside of this mailinglist try these:
irc.freenode.net: threethirty I'm usually around but if not stick around
I'll hop back on.
Justin "threethirty" O'Brien
@threethirty - twitter/identi.ca/jaiku
Phone: (765) 688-0723
After a discussion with lcafiero yesterday on #fedora-ambassadors, I
want to know if anyone plan to attend COSSFEST 2010
( http://www.cossfest.ca/ ) in Calgary this year?
It would be a good thing if we can setup something there.
Jean-Francois Saucier (djf_jeff)
GPG key : 0xA9E6E953
Hi fellow ambassadors!
Due to popular request EMEA IRC Ambassadors Meeting will not happen on
30th December 2009.
Call it vacation, call it day off, call it Xmas, call it deep winter,
call it whatever you want!
Enough ambassadors have contacted me on postponing it, so I suggest we
are having our next meeting on 6th January 2010. (More Reminders will
Hope you all have great times whatever you are doing for vacations or
not, and may the new year be happy for us and Fedora!
See ya all next week,
PGP key: 0x6130DBF8
liknus @ GRnet , Freenode
I had conducted a one-day Fedora, Free Software workshop at the
Bachelor of Computer Applications department, Maharaja Sayajirao
University of Baroda (Vadodara), Gujarat, India on Saturday, December
Thanks to VGLUG  for coordinating with me for the past few months
in organizing this event. I would like to thank the Fedora project for
sponsoring the travel.
* The BCA department lab systems were equipped to run on Fedora 12,
and we used it for couple of the hands-on sessions:
- Use of git: di-git-ally managing love letters 
- Packaging Fedora RPM 
* I had also addressed the following topics:
- i-want-2-do-project. tell-me-wat-2-do-fedora 
- Badam Halwa of Embedded Systems 
* Participants were from the BCA department, and had also come from
Ahmedabad . Vadodara (Baroda) connects to Ahmedabad via a 95km
* Free/Open Source Software is officially included in the Gujarat
state school syllabus for higher secondary (XI and XII). In the coming
years it is expected to be even introduced from standard VIII.
* The Department coordinator and Professor V A Kalamkar is happy to
facilitate work between VGLUG, and the students for Free/Open Source
Software projects. We hope to have more interaction with them in the
* VGLUG members are also keen on participating in the Fedora project
at various sub-projects of their interests.
* Due to the political crisis  in Hyderabad, I was uncertain about
reaching the Hyderabad airport, and thus making it to the workshop.
The bandh was withdrawn for December 25th, and when I made it the
airport on the 25th, the scheduled flight was cancelled. So, I had to
re-schedule a different flight, but, the airline officials said they
couldn't guarantee if I will make it to my connecting flight in
Mumbai. This re-scheduled flight got delayed even further. Luckily, my
connecting flight also got delayed, and I finally managed to make it
* As customary, here are some photos taken during the trip:
 VGLUG. http://www.vglug.info.
 di-git-ally managing love letters.
 Packaging RPM.
 i-want-2-do-project. tell-me-wat-2-do-fedora.
 Badam Halwa of Embedded Systems.
 Ahmedabad. http://wikitravel.org/en/Ahmedabad.
 National Expressway 1.
 Bandh hits life at Telangana.
Just wanted to give a summary and links to the NA Ambassadors meeting
last night. It was a fairly short meeting.
1) Don't forget to VOTE!!!!
2) Plug of the new NA shirts:
They're not tagged as "Ambassador" shirts, so any contributor or
fanboy you know can order and wear one with pride. Order information
is at the bottom of the page.
3) Most of our discussion revolved around budget items. Max Spevak
sent out an e-mail to fedora-ambassadors-list yesterday with regards
to some of the items, like North American Media and Case Badges.
Included below are the links to the Summary, Logs, and a text copy of
the log for those of you who use e-mail to help find conversations and
02:00:11 <StabbyMc> #startmeeting
02:00:11 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Dec 16 02:00:11 2009 UTC. The
chair is StabbyMc. Information about MeetBot at
02:00:11 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea
02:00:35 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors meeting
02:00:42 <StabbyMc> Rollcall.
02:00:47 <StabbyMc> .fas smcbrien
02:00:48 <zodbot> StabbyMc: smcbrien '' <scott(a)mcbrien.net>
02:00:50 <djf_jeff> .fas jfsaucier
02:00:50 <Grantbow> .fas grantbow
02:00:51 <zodbot> djf_jeff: jfsaucier 'Jean-Francois Saucier'
02:00:56 <zodbot> Grantbow: grantbow 'Grant Bowman' <grantbow(a)gmail.com>
02:00:58 <pcalarco> .fas pcalarco
02:00:59 <ke4qqq> .fas ke4qqq
02:00:59 <zodbot> pcalarco: pcalarco 'Pascal Vincent Calarco' <pcalarco(a)nd.edu>
02:01:01 <Arsenick> .fas arsenick
02:01:01 <VileGent> .fasinfo jbwillia
02:01:07 <zodbot> ke4qqq: ke4qqq 'David Nalley' <david(a)gnsa.us>
02:01:11 <etank> .fas etank
02:01:11 <zodbot> Arsenick: arsenick 'René Jr Purcell' <rene.purcell(a)gmail.com>
02:01:15 <zodbot> VileGent: User: jbwillia, Name: Ben Williams, email:
vaioof(a)yahoo.com, Creation: 2006-04-17, IRC Nick: Southern_Gentleman,
Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en, Extension: 5100572, GPG key ID:
295A4FBC, Status: active
02:01:19 <zodbot> VileGent: Approved Groups: cla_done ambassadors
freemedia cla_fedora gitcourses irc-support-operators
02:01:23 <zodbot> VileGent: Unapproved Groups: None
02:01:27 <zodbot> etank: kenop 'Chetan Kumar' <chetanku(a)gmail.com> -
spyrkob 'Bartosz Spyrko-Śmietanko' <bspyrkos(a)redhat.com> -
thomasthetank 'thomas strickland' <strickland.thomas(a)gmail.com> -
etank 'Eric Lake' <ericlake(a)gmail.com> - swetank 'SWETANK KUMAR SAHA'
<swetank(a)aol.in> - ketankumar 'ketankumar patil'
02:01:39 <etank> im in there somewhere
02:01:57 <VileGent> etank you should use fasinfo same as i do
02:02:10 <etank> will do
02:03:28 <StabbyMc> anyone else for roll call?
02:03:47 <dahlan> Dahlan's here
02:03:57 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors meeting Announcements
02:03:59 <dahlan> First meeting, not sure if that's the proper way to
call off or not. Sorry.
02:04:32 <StabbyMc> dahlan: we usually use .fas or .fasinfo to get our
name in the record, though inode0 suggests we do away with it.
02:04:52 <StabbyMc> My only announcement is the availability of shirts.
02:05:04 <ke4qqq> !
02:05:27 <StabbyMc> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/ButtonUp
02:05:38 <StabbyMc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/ButtonUp
02:05:52 <StabbyMc> At the bottom of the page is order info.
02:06:18 <StabbyMc> Anyone order one yet?
02:06:38 * inode0 pointed to that page when asked for "ideas"
02:06:38 <VileGent> hopefully soon
02:06:38 <pcalarco> I'm ordering mine in Jan.
02:06:54 <djf_jeff> StabbyMc: I plan to do it soon
02:07:49 <StabbyMc> At some point I'd like to get some feedback on the
order process, mine was a little rocky, but I was the first, and I
change locations everyweek, so shipping to me was problematic.
02:08:13 <StabbyMc> But because of that, I want to make sure that the
vendor is doing a good job, otherwise we'll bounce.
02:09:03 <StabbyMc> So feedback when you've got it would be appreciated :-)
02:09:10 <StabbyMc> Any other announcements?
02:09:15 <inode0> vote
02:09:57 <ke4qqq> less than 24 hours left
02:10:06 <VileGent> already done
02:10:56 <StabbyMc> More announcements?
02:11:32 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting Events
02:11:48 <StabbyMc> So the only upcoming event we've talke about
recently has been Scale
02:11:56 <StabbyMc> Anything else circling out there?
02:12:03 <pcalarco> !
02:12:04 <davdunc> There is texas linuxfest
02:12:25 <VileGent> ???
02:12:51 <pcalarco> StabbyMc: I forget, should we be putting local LUG
events on here where we'd like an Ambassadors Kit?
02:13:06 <pcalarco> I have already requested said Kit
02:13:18 <ke4qqq> pcalarco: I'd like to see them - and the reports
that follow along
02:13:19 <djf_jeff> I go on the local radio tomorrow to promote Fedora
and announce our release event
02:13:30 <StabbyMc> pcalarco: kit requests go through traq, but I'd
update the Events page with any events you attend.
02:14:16 <Grantbow> dfj_jeff: break a leg
02:14:38 <djf_jeff> Grantbow: hmm, I don't know this expression here ;)
02:14:45 <inode0> pcalarco: I saw your request, F12 media is hoped to
be here by Christmas
02:14:53 <Grantbow> dfj_jeff: best of luck
02:15:05 <pcalarco> inode0: thanks, sounds great
02:15:17 <djf_jeff> Grantbow: ah, ok, thanks ;)
02:15:23 * inode0 grumbles about it taking a month to get media
02:15:26 <ke4qqq> inode0: any news on what the hold up is?? I thought
it was 'ready' except for a small snafu before fudcon
02:16:00 <inode0> disagreement over what is required as payment I believe
02:16:15 <StabbyMc> spevack sent out an e-mail to ambassadors-list
today which in part said it was on his plate.
02:16:20 <djf_jeff> inode0: +1
02:16:29 * ke4qqq thought the email today was regarding emea media
02:16:36 <ke4qqq> perhaps I missed one though
02:16:41 <inode0> he mentioned NA media too
02:17:38 <StabbyMc> Anybody need stuff for an upcoming event like
banners or event-boxes that hasn't been addressed?
02:18:59 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Budget review
02:19:31 <StabbyMc> spevak said he'd likely not be here tonight, but
he sent an update via e-mail today to ambassadors-list
02:19:50 <StabbyMc> I'm assuming nothing has changed since our
discussion of budget last meeting.
02:19:57 * StabbyMc doesn't think anything has been ordered.
02:20:02 <inode0> well, we have lost 2 more weeks
02:20:13 <StabbyMc> there is that.
02:20:16 <inode0> Max will be ordering the case badges for everywhere
02:20:25 <inode0> We need to take care of anything else we want
02:20:42 <StabbyMc> I'll be starting with window-clings again next week.
02:20:48 <StabbyMc> Now that shirts are all done.
02:21:27 <StabbyMc> most of the companies that do the window clings
also do vynl stickers, so I'll likely try and get them done at the
02:21:30 <inode0> If we want more shirts this quarter we should (a)
decide which make and model and (b) contact DemonJester
02:22:03 <StabbyMc> splatter shirts +1
02:22:30 * slipp3d seconds the splatter shirt
02:22:56 <etank> the splatter shirt is pretty nice
02:23:21 * inode0 votes for the old less expensive style but expects
to be outvoted :)
02:24:04 <slipp3d> inode0, what does the older one look like ... the
only one that I have really seen is the splatter shirt
02:24:12 <StabbyMc> inode0: while I appreciate the less expensivness;
the splatter shirt is far superior.
02:24:19 <etank> i agree. if the older ones are less money and we can
get more then it makes sense to buy those instead.
02:24:30 <ke4qqq> We could also always ask for a new shirt design from Design
02:24:45 <inode0> The splatter shirt costs 50% more
02:25:39 <inode0> I'm fine with the splatter being an occasional
indulgence, don't think it should be the default giveaway shirt though
02:26:23 <slipp3d> how about splatter shirts for the ambassadors and
the older style shirt for the boxes
02:26:23 <StabbyMc> is dnhodgson here?
02:26:37 <VileGent> splatter shirts are too expensive
02:26:39 * StabbyMc rembembers he was going to get shirt pricing.
02:26:49 <Grantbow> less expensive is better
02:26:54 <inode0> new design is fine with me too, just remember each
color adds cost and 3 colors is relatively about as cheap as we can
02:26:56 <ke4qqq> slipp3d: they are only viable in large quantity-
otherwise they are a fortune - literally
02:27:27 <slipp3d> okay .. well that shoots my idea to the ground then....
02:27:45 <StabbyMc> I think i'd like the old shirts better if they were black.
02:27:52 <inode0> slipp3d: we can get more again at some point, when
we are flush :)
02:28:11 <slipp3d> StabbyMc, inode0 .... do you have a link to the old
design... i would like to take a look at it
02:28:23 <inode0> they aren't for us, conference people aren't picky
02:28:41 <Grantbow> 50% more shirts is a big win
02:29:19 <Grantbow> or, 33% whatever
02:29:48 <dahlan> For the conference, I'd say go with the cheaper shirts.
02:29:50 <inode0> http://www.flickr.com/photos/herlo0/2939282628/sizes/l/
02:29:55 <slipp3d> I agree Grantbow ... more shirts would be a good thing
02:30:43 <inode0> http://www.flickr.com/photos/herlo0/2938430887/sizes/l/
02:31:04 <StabbyMc> I also wouldn't fight the I F Freedom shirt on the
02:31:13 <StabbyMc> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/T-Shirt
02:31:49 <StabbyMc> (though could do without the back)
02:31:52 <ke4qqq> StabbyMc: the "Get Some" one?? or the "Do You?" one
02:32:16 <StabbyMc> ke4qqq: that's the one, though I'd be very happy
without "Get Some" written on them.
02:32:54 <slipp3d> thanks inode0 ...
02:33:24 * inode0 sort of likes the join url
02:34:21 <StabbyMc> join url?
02:34:28 <inode0> join.fp.o
02:34:47 <inode0> you know, where you go to join :)
02:34:51 <slipp3d> I like the " I (F) Freedom " shirts
02:35:09 <StabbyMc> I wouldn't be opposed to the join url printed on there too.
02:35:25 <StabbyMc> or at least fp.or
02:35:56 <Arsenick> +1 freedom shirts!
02:36:00 <ke4qqq> I know it misses the alliteration, but libre would
almost be a better fit there
02:36:40 * StabbyMc casts about for volunteers to take on getting a
new shirt produced.
02:37:34 <StabbyMc> No volunteers?
02:37:39 <slipp3d> StabbyMc, what would need to be done for getting
the new shirts
02:37:41 * inode0 keeps saying we should talk to DemonJester rather
than duplicate the work he has already done
02:37:58 <ke4qqq> at the sametime it's not bad to spread the task love
02:37:59 <StabbyMc> slipp3d: talking to the vendor listed on the swag page.
02:38:10 <StabbyMc> sending them the artwork.
02:38:21 <StabbyMc> approving or modifying the proof
02:38:25 <StabbyMc> then ordering.
02:38:34 <StabbyMc> the ordering part is where you get max involved.
02:39:27 * maxamillion is late again ... just got home
02:39:37 <maxamillion> sorry :(
02:39:54 * inode0 will suggest (a) get art lined up and (b) discuss it
with DemonJester before cold calling the vendor
02:40:01 <StabbyMc> maxamillion: you just volunteered to chair a committee!
02:40:40 <maxamillion> StabbyMc: sweet, what committee?
02:40:46 <StabbyMc> slipp3d: or what inode0 said.
02:41:04 <StabbyMc> maxamillion: I haven't decided yet. But it'll be
very painful! ;-)
02:41:48 <slipp3d> StabbyMc, I can see what i can do about getting
some time together and to contact DemonJester about getting this
02:41:50 <maxamillion> StabbyMc: no, it will be the most awesome committee EVAR
02:42:11 <StabbyMc> slipp3d: thanks for stepping up!
02:42:32 * StabbyMc annoints him with the tee shirt wand
02:43:13 * slipp3d doesn't know if I should duck or not.... O-o
02:43:17 <StabbyMc> #action slipp3d contacts DemonJester to get
started on I F Fedora tee shirts.
02:43:26 <StabbyMc> slipp3d: too late, it's done ;-)
02:43:36 <crossbytes> so are we doing up new artwork for the shirts also?
02:44:04 <StabbyMc> crossbytes: we have the artwork already for the
shirt we were just talking about.
02:44:30 <StabbyMc> though the print likely needs to be white instead
of black like the marketing page.
02:44:30 * ke4qqq wonders if we can do it in black instead of white
02:44:50 <StabbyMc> ke4qqq: tee color, or text color?
02:45:01 <ke4qqq> tee color
02:45:20 <StabbyMc> I was rather enamored with the blue, but it likely
would look dumb with jeans.
02:45:30 <StabbyMc> So black would probably be better.
02:45:55 <ke4qqq> depends on the color of blue IMO
02:46:21 <slipp3d> so what artwork are we thinking... (or do I need to
bring this up in a different meeting)
02:46:37 <StabbyMc> slipp3d: I was thinking
02:46:49 <StabbyMc> there's already a mock-up, with SVG file for the logo.
02:47:05 * etank likes the idea of a black tee
02:47:05 <StabbyMc> though I would say lose the sleeve printing
02:47:25 <ke4qqq> StabbyMc: you realize there are ~12 different shirts
ont he page right??
02:47:25 <inode0> slipp3d: if you are doing it have at it - you don't
need to buckle to pressure from StabbyMc
02:47:26 <StabbyMc> And we'd have to get http://join.fedoraproject.org
printed on the back ?
02:47:48 <maxamillion> I also would prefer a black T ... less stain revealing
02:47:53 <StabbyMc> ke4qqq: true, but only 2, very close together,
that say I F Fedora ...
02:47:58 <inode0> We all seem to like the I F Freedom well enough ...
02:48:13 <StabbyMc> Er. I F Freedom
02:48:26 <inode0> Please stop thinking about these shirts in such a
personal way - it is swag to give to other people
02:48:40 <slipp3d> i second the I F Freedom
02:48:49 <StabbyMc> slipp3d: though that said, I'd be happy with
whatever. as long as it gets done.
02:48:58 <djf_jeff> inode0: +1
02:49:01 <inode0> slipp3d: but think some about redesigning the back
if you want to
02:49:09 <etank> inode0, you answered my question before i could even ask it
02:49:16 <ke4qqq> inode0: yes - contributors get different shirts from
fads and fudcons and the polos and button down shirts.
02:50:19 <StabbyMc> Ok, any other budget items?
02:50:55 <StabbyMc> I think that kind of rounds out the task list
review from last time as well.
02:51:13 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Open Floor
02:51:42 <StabbyMc> I haven't seen lcafiero yet, I know he had an item
for open floor.
02:51:54 <StabbyMc> Anyone else have anything?
02:52:53 <pcalarco> !
02:53:16 <pcalarco> I need help with my gpg key on my fas account
02:53:33 <pcalarco> can't aggregate my blog postings to the Planet right now
02:53:50 <ke4qqq> pcalarco: can we work on it in #f-ambassadors ?
02:54:02 <StabbyMc> pcalarco: sounds like a #fedora or #fedora-ambassadors item.
02:54:07 <StabbyMc> NM,
02:54:09 <pcalarco> ke4qqq: sounds great, thx
02:54:14 <StabbyMc> ke4qqq: too quick.
02:54:37 <StabbyMc> If there's nothing else, I'm going to call the meeting.
02:55:03 <StabbyMc> 3
02:55:10 <StabbyMc> 2
02:55:16 <StabbyMc> 1
02:55:19 <maxamillion> 0
02:55:20 <StabbyMc> #endmeeting
my name is sai. i am a
want to contribute to the development of se-linux policies.i am a Redhat
certified se-linux policy administrator.i am well versed in development of
se-linux policies.how can i contribute ?
whom should i contact?
“The Linux philosophy is 'Laugh in the face of danger'. Oops. Wrong One. 'Do
it yourself'. Yes, that's it
>Thinking about future Red Hat training and/or certification. :)
>I just received the semi-annual Red Hat Training and Certification Course
>Catalog: Winter / Spring 2010. Looks like we might know someone from this
>I have read that for the last couple years, a Fedora Ambassador or two have
>become Red Hat RHCE winners. :)
>Hope to see 2010 RHCE list! :)
Indeed, I would love the opportunity to take advantage of this, I mean it is pricey especially with this economy but well worth it. Kids, look at it this way, the salary expected for a Linux admin in the US is much greater than what the going rate is for MCSE certification...
>Red Hat training may be a great thing to consider if there is time and funds.
>If you have questions about Red Hat classes, then please do not hesitate to
>Please have a great day or evening! :~)
>- David -
>Fedora Project's Japan & Maryland Ambassador dramsey(a)fedoraproject.org
>* Three dual core systems with 3.0 GB running the Fedora 12 (Constantine)
>kernel - vmlinuz-188.8.131.52-166.fc12.i686.PAE
>* One dual core system with 3.0 GB running the Fedora 13 kernel -
>With eight (8) x86_64 computing cores, 16 GB of RAM and two SATA Seagate
>7200.12 500 GB harddisks.
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