I attended POSSCon today - it's a first year - seemingly business
oriented event - more so than community oriented. I actually came
across the event accidentally, and signed up last minute. Parking was
about 1.5 blocks. from the event. When I got down to the building
there were 65 people waiting outside. I was impressed by the turnout -
as I sit inside the auditorium there are over 100 people here now. The
Keynote from the Blue Cross Blue Shield guy seemed to be spreading a
lot of FUD about the liability of using open source software. I
thought that was all over with?? Maybe I have just been desentized
after all the SCO stuff.
Next up was Greg DeKoenigsberg - he was a welcome relief - adding a
little humor and doing a base level presentation of what open source
means, and how and where it excels. The audience is really more IT and
business people and not really Linux or open source zealots, so this
level of talk was good.
After Greg was done we took a break and I setup an impromptu 'booth'
and talked to people about Fedora, and Linux, etc. I say impromptu
because there were no other booths, and one hadn't really been
planned. Greg had brought a stack of ~50 LiveCDs and DVDs for a
presentation I was planning on making in Greenville. I initially
brought about 20 of the LiveCDs that Greg brought - within 5 minutes
they were gone along with the stack of business cards I had set out. I
retrieved more - and would guess that all 50 were gone with 30
minutes. I put my business cards up front and told people that if they
didn't receive a LiveCD that they should send me an email and I'd make
sure they received one.
A shocking number of people at this open source conference haven't
tried open source software to any depth - not even OpenOffice.org
Following this was a really basic demonstration of OpenOffice.org. The
presenter was a professor at the University of South Carolina who had
her students create end-user howtos for OpenOffice.org this past year.
I introduced myself to her and told her about the varied documentation
projects we had at the Fedora Project and told her that I'd be happy
to come down and introduce the Fedora Project to her students and see
if we couldn't have some of their projects help Fedora out. She seemed
receptive to this thought.
I also met a comp sci. professor from Benedict College who was
interested in Fedora and I told her I'd follow up with her and see if
we could at least introduce Fedora for them.
During lunch professors from two other universities talked to Greg
about incorporating Open Source into their Comp Sci programs and some
of those conversations seemed like they have potential for doing
interesting things, perhaps akin to Seneca College, though it's
probably far too soon to speculate.
The following session was from an IP lawyer - he seemed to lean
towards more FUD. Though he has 20+ years in IP law, I really missed
the EFF types or the Duke Law people.
The last presentation was from a Ruby developer who worked for the
state. His presentation was somewhat interesting and he revealed that
they are hosting a Ruby Conference. I told him I would see if schedule
allowed for Fedora to show up and talk.
The final event was a roundtable that had people from small and large
businesses answering questions about their open source deployments.
Someone asked the question if they encouraged their employees to
contribute to the open source software projects they used. One of the
panel members said that they would be upset if their employees were
working on things other than 'work'. I posited the view that
contributing back to the community was invaluable for the following
1. It builds expertise like no training every will.
2. It potentially means that $feature_desired_by_company will be
implemented or implemented sooner. Being part of the community means
that they can help point the project in a direction they want.
I further argued that one of the panelists had said that they offer a
'disclaimer' to their customers that they are using Postgresql as
their RDBMS as they consider it a risk point. I offered that if they
were seeking to allay customer fears they'd 'force' one or more of
their employees to contribute so they could show their customers that
they know the product well enough that they contribute.
One of the business-types had the value dawn on him - but said that
while some of these businesses may not be able to justify
'development' time they could certainly justify writing 'test cases'
and doing QA on projects they were using. Neither of us seemed warmly
received by the business types on the panel - but you could see light
bulbs going off around the room and it generated a number of
post-event conversations about getting involved in open source
projects. I have around half a dozen people to follow up with now.
It was a good turnout for a first year event. I wish it had been
better advertised, particularly outside of Columbia.
I also wished they had balanced end-users with community a bit more -
but I made a number of contacts that would probably have not shown up
to something much more geeky.
Hi, I just now a fedora ambassador.
I am planning a seminar in my community to introduce fedora to the people.
How do I get some of the live cds for distribution.
I have been able to convert some friends and school mates of mine to the side of fedora. However, we are still using fedora 7 because internet connections in my area are not so good, making it difficult to download fedora 9. Some should help. I am in Ghana- West Africa.
I and other Italian guys are organizing the Italian Linux day (fedora
side), in particular, what and how to do to promote fedora during Linux
day, which will be October 25th 2008.
Italian Linux day has a short complication: is distributed on about 100
events in all around the country, depends on how many LUGs decide to
participate (a dynamic events map, here ).
Having more than 100 events all around Italy is quite complexed to
manage with classical methods (send CDs, t-shirt, and so on), we decided
to bet on innovation.
Last year was the "USB key year" (fedora is the first distribution which
allow a usb creation), so this Linux day will be the "fedora station usb
creation" Linux day.
With Francesco Crippa suggestion, we want to create a new product called
for example "fedora starter kit" or "fedora creation station", "fedora
distribution station" (the name is still WIP, and we need
fedora-marketing help to find the best attractive and nice name).
This product is composed of various part to build a fedora creation
* a manifest
* a personalized box
* two, three t-shirt
* a usb cable
* a CD/DVD with a fedora live + some ISOs + kobold
* Stickers to attach to created usb keys (which will be provided by
We need few things:
- find a name for product
- create artwork:
* artwork for the box (we can print a personalized box), we need a log
for this product
* artwork for CD/DVD
This product is designed to be a geek product and if person receive that
box with a product to build, is more enthusiastic and interesting than
receive something difficult to use and no attractive.
We are collecting information and, as first step we are trying to
understand how much for each box.
If you have any suggestion about any aspect of my report, tell me ;-)
-- Today is Sweetmorn, the 60th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3174
Are you sure the back door is locked?
Summary to follow shortly in a separate email
[20:55] * gregdek looks about.
[20:55] * inode0 waves
[20:55] * gregdek waves back!
[20:55] * jds2001 waves
[20:56] * herlo is here
[20:56] * quaid y0
[20:56] <gregdek> Hey ke4qqq: I'm in Columbia now, but not tomorrow night.
[20:56] <herlo> quaid!!
[20:56] <MadBus> helllooooo
[20:56] <ke4qqq> of course - maybe during lunch, won't take that long
[20:56] <herlo> quaid: feeling better?
[20:56] <quaid> herlo: mainly, aye, thanks
[20:57] <herlo> oh good
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[20:57] * jds2001 invited dcolish :)
[20:57] * MadBus aka vwbusguy
[20:57] <jds2001> since we could always use more ambassadors :)
[20:57] * inode0 invited #fedora
[20:57] <ke4qqq> outstanding jds2001
[20:57] * VileGent here
[20:58] * stickster here
[20:58] * VileGent jbwillia
[20:58] <gregdek> A motley crew indeed.
[20:58] <stickster> Hey now
[20:58] <MadBus> haha
[20:59] * herlo expecets jtaber to join any time...
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[20:59] <gregdek> Blah blah wretched hive blah blah scum and villainy
blah blah. :)
[20:59] <herlo> stickster: motley crew is a compliment
[20:59] <Karlie> Here
[21:00] <stickster> Only with umlauts
[21:00] <quaid> so you say!
[21:00] <herlo> true that, me doesn't know how to type them on his
[21:00] <herlo> however
[21:01] <gregdek> Who has the gavel tonite?
[21:01] * herlo hides
[21:01] <quaid> get him!
[21:01] <herlo> you cant make me!
[21:01] <herlo> :)
[21:01] * LinuxKnight here
[21:01] <ke4qqq> per the agenda you do
[21:01] * jds2001 wishes he could get this kind of turnout for his
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[21:02] <gregdek> you = me?
[21:02] <herlo> gregdek: yep
[21:02] <ke4qqq> gregdek: yes
[21:02] <stickster> Y'know, triage is very easy, people.... ;-)
[21:02] <gregdek> Okey doke.
[21:02] <herlo> This week's Ambassadors Meeting will be lead by
[21:02] <gregdek> Point me to the agenda page and I shall lead.
[21:02] <herlo> from
[21:03] <gregdek> Hm.
[21:03] * herlo also recommends people use this page too for the task
[21:04] <herlo> which is the same as
[21:04] <gregdek> OK.
[21:04] <gregdek> We've got plenty of folks on, so I'll dispense with roll call.
[21:05] <gregdek> 1. ACTION ITEMS.
[21:05] <gregdek> Checking the tasks page:
[21:05] <gregdek> * Contacting local ambassadors.
[21:05] <gregdek> From what I've been seeing, you gents have been
going full bore. Updates?
[21:05] * inode0 goes on vacation Friday and will hunt them all down
[21:05] * jds2001 is here as a result of said contact
[21:06] * herlo is in the final process of getting western ambassador
emails, but I have much of it ready to go...
[21:06] <ke4qqq> I've sent around two dozen emails - received 2-3 responses
[21:06] <herlo> ke4qqq: that's good percentage actually
[21:06] <ke4qqq> yeah I am pleased with that response
[21:06] <gregdek> Are we scrubbing the ambassadors list accordingly?
[21:06] <herlo> how so?
[21:06] <VileGent> ke4qqq, no have seen
[21:06] <quaid> mark with "active?"
[21:06] <ke4qqq> of course some of the people are JesseKeating and stickster
[21:07] <quaid> then erase after 60 days?
[21:07] <gregdek> Yes, what quaid said.
[21:07] <gregdek> The wiki gardener speaks true. ;)
[21:07] <MadBus> quaid, sounds fair
[21:07] <herlo> my desire is that we also ask ambassadors that become
active make sure they have a certain set of info on their personal
[21:07] * jds2001 knows f13 is active
[21:07] <LinuxKnight> !
[21:07] <quaid> +1 info
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[21:07] <gregdek> LinuxKnight?
[21:07] <herlo> email, name, irc nick, etc...
[21:07] <LinuxKnight> I don't remember getting one of these emails
[21:08] <herlo> LinuxKnight: that's because its me
[21:08] <herlo> and I am slow
[21:08] <inode0> they haven't gone to everyone yet
[21:08] <LinuxKnight> I am local to pacific nw
[21:08] <herlo> but its coming, hopefully tonight
[21:08] <LinuxKnight> oh ok then ;)
[21:08] * MadBus hasn't got one yet either.
[21:08] <ke4qqq> LinuxKnight: you may not - we may not have a
comprehensive list of all NA ambassadors - it's based on Category
being set on your home page.....
[21:08] <herlo> MadBus: where do you live?
[21:08] <MadBus> herlo, Indianapolis
[21:09] <MadBus> I think inode0 is my regional contact
[21:09] <ke4qqq> there are over 500 Ambassadors - and 68 are listed as
being in NA.
[21:09] <gregdek> OK.
[21:09] <herlo> yeah
[21:09] <inode0> we have talked, MadBus is in
[21:09] <gregdek> So that work is ongoing, then, it's safe to say?
[21:09] <MadBus> cool
[21:09] <herlo> yep
[21:10] <gregdek> All right.
[21:10] <gregdek> I will add "marking ambassadors as active" to that
action item. Any objections to that?
[21:10] <herlo> nope
[21:10] <ke4qqq> none
[21:10] <MadBus> nope
[21:10] * inode0 is a little hesitant
[21:10] <jds2001> why?
[21:10] <gregdek> inode0: Oh? How come?
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[21:11] <inode0> without any warning it has already caused panic here
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[21:11] <inode0> don't see a need to rush much
[21:11] <gregdek> A little panic isn't a bad thing, so long as it's
properly managed. :)
[21:11] <gregdek> I don't advocate knocking "inactive" ambassadors out
[21:11] <herlo> one thing I'd like to see is that when we get the
people on board, they also include the category
[[Category:AmbassadorsUSA]] on their wiki page...
[21:11] <MadBus> 60 days is fair
[21:11] <gregdek> But that list is *very* old and has *never* been
edited, and we can't simply leave it as is.
[21:12] <herlo> or maybe we should change that to [[Category:NAAmbassadors]] ??
[21:12] <inode0> I'm ok either way - just not overly enthusiastic
about marking possible contributors as deadbeats so fast :)
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[21:12] <quaid> herlo: s/AmbassadorsUSA/Ambassadors_USA/
[21:12] <ke4qqq> no maybe AmbassadorsNA more intuitive
[21:12] <herlo> either way, just something that makes it easier to categorize
[21:12] <jds2001> let's not forget Canada
[21:12] <gregdek> inode0: We'll mark good ones "good" without marking
bad ones "bad". :)
[21:12] <herlo> inode0: I'm curious what you think is being in a rush/panic?
[21:12] <quaid> inode0: three nagmails over 60 days is probably
enough; anyone who hasn't replied by then is "inactive"
[21:13] <stickster> Seriously, even one reply would be enough...
that's a pretty low bar.
[21:13] <gregdek> ok.
[21:13] <gregdek> Moving on?
[21:14] <stickster> gregdek: +1
[21:14] <ke4qqq> +1
[21:14] <herlo> +1
[21:14] <LinuxKnight> +1
[21:14] <jds2001> +1 if i have voting powers here
[21:14] <herlo> jds2001: lol
[21:14] <herlo> you do!
[21:14] <quaid> well, one addendum, if I may?
[21:14] <gregdek> Shoot.
[21:15] <inode0> what range do we use for voting here? :)
[21:15] <quaid> contacting people is a way of saying, "May be bug you
further?" It is a courtesy before flooding them with all kinds of
[21:15] <quaid> <eof>
[21:15] <quaid> and +1 to moving on
[21:15] <herlo> quaid: right
[21:15] <herlo> inode0: you are in attendance, you can vote for moving on...
[21:15] <gregdek> * Event kit!
[21:15] <herlo> or not!
[21:16] <quaid> !
[21:16] <herlo> gregdek: I've been giving this some thought
[21:16] * quaid defers to herlo
[21:16] <gregdek> Hold on. quaid?
[21:16] <gregdek> Oh, nm.
[21:16] <gregdek> herlo, go ahead.
[21:16] <herlo> specifically regarding some of the conversations that
have been going on re: usb sticks and cds
[21:17] <herlo> I think there's room for both and costs can be covered
I think based upon the event. For instance, if we're doing a large
event, then usb sticks seem to be a good bit of swag
[21:17] <herlo> but for LUGs and other smaller meetings, CDs seem to
be the way to go
[21:17] <MadBus> herlo, USB install/live media?
[21:17] <herlo> plus providing some posters, and possibly a creation
station script typ ething could help
[21:17] <herlo> MadBus: yes
[21:18] <LinuxKnight> plus usb sticks are reuseable, if we use generic
logo on them, can keep them and reuse for future versions
[21:18] <MadBus> herlo, USB might run into some more system
compatibility issues than CD
[21:18] <herlo> one thing I will say about logos, they must be printed
on the sticks and not simple stickers that fit on the usb sticks
[21:18] <MadBus> but other than that it's a great diea
[21:18] <inode0> is each usb stick worth 5-10 CD/DVDs?
[21:18] <herlo> MadBus: agreed, that's why a mix is important
[21:18] <LinuxKnight> herlo, +1
[21:18] <MadBus> *idea
[21:19] * herlo also thinks a bit of swag, tshirts, stickers, and one
or two bits of cool swag should go inside
[21:19] <jds2001> +1 to the logos - we want to look professional
[21:19] <herlo> maybe a Fedora bag to give away at evetns...
[21:19] <Karlie> !
[21:19] <gregdek> Karlie?
[21:19] <herlo> large events that is
[21:19] <Karlie> at on-disk we're doing a load of USB
[21:19] <gregdek> Oo!
[21:19] <Karlie> the dome tags are very professional and we're also
using hang tags
[21:20] <Karlie> dome tags are puffy sort of thing
[21:20] <herlo> what about lanyards? Is that a hang tag?
[21:20] <herlo> Karlie: samples?
[21:20] <Karlie> the hang tags are shrink plastic with a cord off the
back of the stick
[21:20] <herlo> ahh, okay, I know what those are
[21:20] * jds2001 still not sure
[21:21] <Karlie> I can post an image to the list tomorrow
[21:21] <jds2001> ok
[21:21] <herlo> Karlie: that'd be great
[21:21] <Karlie> eof
[21:21] <gregdek> quaid?
[21:21] <quaid> the one idea I wanted to add (or confirm it is being
used) to the event kit idea;
[21:21] <gregdek> Care to tell us what we've got to start with? :)
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[21:21] <quaid> here we are :)
[21:21] <gregdek> Hello Larry!
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[21:22] <lcafiero> hey quaid gregdek
[21:22] * quaid completes his thought
[21:22] * herlo waits patiently
[21:22] <quaid> I did some additions to the EventKit; I have some
signage with me, etc.
[21:22] <quaid> but thinking about shipping
[21:22] <quaid> if we had one person per region or a few near major
shipping hubs (Kentucky?)
[21:22] <quaid> who had >1 kits worth of materials and could compile a
few variations for shipping
[21:23] <quaid> then had an online app to FedEx/UPS to do the shipping
labels, request, pickup, etc.
[21:23] <quaid> it could be run from some kind, organized person's garage.
[21:23] <quaid> <eoidea>
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[21:23] * herlo agrees. I think its a matter of determining what goes
into the Event Kit, Is it different each time?
[21:23] <gregdek> So we've got two different types of "stuff":
[21:23] <MadBus> if Indy is close enuff to Kentucky, I can help with that
[21:23] <ke4qqq> !
[21:23] <gregdek> The persistent stuff (signage, banners, monitors? etc.)
[21:23] <gregdek> And the giveaway stuff.
[21:24] <herlo> Kentucky is only one major hub. There are others...
[21:24] <gregdek> I think we need to be careful to distinguish between
the two, because they almost certainly have different logistical
[21:24] <gregdek> ke4qqq?
[21:24] <ke4qqq> EventBox was supposed to be the regional - Kit was
supposed to be to everyone.....
[21:24] <gregdek> I'm a simple man.
[21:24] <gregdek> I make simple plans. :)
[21:24] <ke4qqq> as an aside quaid I talked with spevack about getting
funding for at least a set of banners/signage per region
[21:25] <gregdek> So my first question is, "what does Karsten do with
his banner when he's done at LinuxWorld?"
[21:25] <ke4qqq> he is supposed to ask Famsco for funding for that
[21:25] <herlo> gregdek: he keeps it
[21:25] <inode0> I suspect all regional ambassadors would handle
packing and shipping to start with at least
[21:25] <gregdek> herlo: For-EVER?
[21:25] <ke4qqq> he keeps it til it needs to go elsewhere
[21:25] <herlo> gregdek: and its my responsibility to know where it is
and get it shpped to the next person
[21:25] <gregdek> herlo: As the Western guru?
[21:26] <gregdek> i.e. that is a regional banner kit?
[21:26] <ke4qqq> gregdek: if we do otherwise shipping costs double on us.
[21:26] <herlo> or he can shipit back. But I don't see how its
valuable to move it around back to me
[21:26] <stickster> Great point.
[21:26] <gregdek> +1 to the daisy chain.
[21:26] <herlo> $$
[21:26] <jds2001> it's not - he should keep it and send to me if i
need it for example
[21:26] <herlo> its a matter of reporting that you have it, maybe we
could have a simple wiki page pointing that out...
[21:26] <gregdek> But that implies that we still need three more
banner kits -- Central, East, Canada.
[21:27] <herlo> the next Major event gets it
[21:27] <jds2001> or not, really, since i'm east - but that's a technicality :)
[21:27] * herlo points to the events page
[21:27] <gregdek> +1 to simple "Piggy's got the conch" wiki page for event kit.
[21:27] <gregdek> herlo: url?
[21:27] <herlo> gregdek: uh...let me make one?
[21:27] <gregdek> :)
[21:27] * stickster notes to herlo this has to be managed closely,
i.e. no "I mailed it, you didn't get it?" stuff.
[21:27] <stickster> you send it on, you send a cc of the tracking #.
[21:27] <jds2001> +1 to trackable shipping method
[21:27] <gregdek> Handoffs are a bitch.
[21:28] <herlo> stickster: I think its a bit of an honor system, but
the regional ambassadors should be in contact with ppl about events at
least every couple weeks
[21:28] <gregdek> A simple, bulletproof, well-documented policy.
[21:28] <ke4qqq> if we trust them enough to ship them a banner and
swag hopefully we can trust them to send it back - but perhaps I am
[21:28] *** ianweller_afk is now known as ianweller.
[21:28] <jds2001> you dont send it? you pay for another one.
[21:28] <MadBus> tracking numbers are good insurance
[21:28] <herlo> gregdek: I'll take that on as a challenge this week to
identify how we could do that, wanna add that to the tasks for me?
[21:28] <stickster> herlo: Good man
[21:28] * herlo thinks its a good point to move forward...
[21:28] <jds2001> +1
[21:28] <ke4qqq> !
[21:29] * gregdek will add task to herlo.
[21:29] <herlo> gregdek: tx
[21:29] <gregdek> We also need to buy other kits.
[21:29] <gregdek> Should I add that too?
[21:29] <ke4qqq> one other item - no one from marketing has stepped
forward for the slide decks - so I guess I'll do that - unless someone
that has some aesthetic capabilities wants to step up?
[21:29] <ke4qqq> other kits?
[21:30] <gregdek> Other kits.
[21:30] <gregdek> We have one set of banners right now.
[21:30] <jds2001> ke4qqq: i would start from the simple community
[21:30] <gregdek> AIUI, we need one set of banners per region.
[21:30] <gregdek> Did I misunderstand?
[21:30] <herlo> ke4qqq: just use the four f's backgrounds when they
come out (are they out?)
[21:30] <ke4qqq> no, but famsco hasn't approved funds yet
[21:31] <ke4qqq> but tentatively that's true
[21:31] <herlo> gregdek: kits v eventbox I think is the issue
[21:31] <ke4qqq> herlo: If it has I haven't seen it
[21:31] <jds2001> define a "kit
[21:31] <jds2001> "
[21:31] * herlo chuckles
[21:31] <jds2001> the eventbox is this thing we've been talking about, right?
[21:32] <gregdek> TIME FOR A DEFINITION OF TERMS! :)
[21:32] <herlo> jds2001: I suppose so. Kits are more of something
*every* ambassador will just have on hand and can order as needed
[21:32] <herlo> kits include: a few CDs/DVDs, stickers and maybe a
tshirt or somethign small to giveaway
[21:32] <gregdek> EVENTBOX = persistent. Banners plus "other stuff"
that needs to go to every event. Is this right?
[21:32] <herlo> right
[21:33] <gregdek> How many EVENTBOX do we haz?
[21:33] * herlo guesses 0
[21:33] <inode0> big event, small events can be managed with kits I think
[21:33] <gregdek> Not so!
[21:33] <ke4qqq> 0.5
[21:33] <gregdek> quaid has one right now! We had to get banners
printed for OSCON.
[21:33] * ianweller looks around and wonders what's going on
[21:33] <jds2001> NA Ambassador meeting
[21:33] <jds2001> join the fun!
[21:33] <gregdek> So we've got a miniEVENTBOX that will become a Real EVENTBOX.
[21:33] <herlo> quaid: gregdek: okay, what's in it right now?
[21:33] <gregdek> Four banners.
[21:34] <herlo> what about a usb creation station?
[21:34] <herlo> could we add that too them?
[21:34] <jds2001> doesnt the ambassador provide that?
[21:34] <gregdek> One big Fedora banner, three banners with the old
[21:34] <jds2001> im on a "usb creation station" right now :)
[21:34] <gregdek> jds2001: +1. :)
[21:34] <herlo> jds2001: true, just not sure how that's working
[21:35] <gregdek> So miniEVENTBOX currently has 4 banners.
[21:35] <gregdek> What else goes into miniEVENTBOX to make it Real EVENTBOX?
[21:35] <gregdek> For now, anyway?
[21:35] <jds2001> probably some four F's posters
[21:35] <herlo> gregdek: I think we shoudl have some Ambassador Kits
in there for ambassadors who might show up to help. They could take
one home with them.. refilling those shouldn't be too difficult
[21:35] <jtaber> maybe instead of kit vs box - could make 2-4
categories of events such as user group talk, mini conference, bigger
[21:35] <f13> hi all
[21:35] <f13> meeting still going?
[21:35] <ke4qqq> sheets for contributor signup howto (the form emea uses?)
[21:35] <gregdek> herlo: are you referring to EVENTBOX?
[21:36] <herlo> gregdek: I am
[21:36] <herlo> jtaber: welcome
[21:36] <d33d> f13, yup
[21:36] <gregdek> Then you are suggesting multiple EVENTBOX?
[21:36] <gregdek> How many?
[21:37] <ke4qqq> 2
[21:37] <inode0> I don't see any reason for more than a couple
[21:37] <herlo> gregdek: more like an EVENTBOX with kits inside. Just
one part of the EVENTBOX
[21:37] <ke4qqq> at least
[21:37] <herlo> +1 ke4qqq / inode0
[21:38] <ke4qqq> OSCON and Ottawa occurred too closely together to ship/carry
[21:38] <gregdek> That will happen again.
[21:38] <ke4qqq> exactly
[21:38] <herlo> and kits should be plentiful and available from
regional ambassadors to easily refill quickly
[21:38] <gregdek> OK.
[21:38] <gregdek> So:
[21:38] <inode0> maybe a few
[21:38] <MadBus> herlo, +1
[21:38] <gregdek> EVENTBOX x 2...
[21:38] <gregdek> KIT x as many as we can afford?
[21:38] * herlo is scared. That's his region :)
[21:39] * gregdek is trying to drive to *exactly* what we're proposing
[21:39] <gregdek> So forgive my didacticism. :)
[21:39] <herlo> gregdek: shrinkwrapped kits should be reproducible,
once we decide what's inside
[21:39] <ke4qqq> Kit is stickers, media, perhaps shirts, new
contributor howto sheets
[21:39] <herlo> right
[21:40] <ke4qqq> pens?
[21:40] <MadBus> pens are cheap
[21:40] <jds2001> what happened to the banner that we had above our
table at the summit? is that in EVENTBOX already?
[21:40] <Karlie> why not have a go kit? something simple and flat -
easy to mail
[21:40] <quaid> working out kit details is a good list activity
[21:40] <quaid> what is *not* in a kit but in an EVENTBOX
[21:40] <gregdek> quaid: So long as it happens in a trackable way.
[21:41] <quaid> gregdek: I mean, details of contents
[21:41] <Karlie> basic paper type objects - stickers, forms, etc and
leave the rest to an as-needed basis
[21:41] <quaid> N pens, Y shirts, etc.
[21:41] <herlo> Karlie: yeah, that's kind of the idea. Something
small enough that it can be mailed with a small amounts of shipping
[21:41] <herlo> cost
[21:41] <gregdek> My fear is that we will meander. At some point, we
need to come to closure and figure out what we're asking of FAMSCO,
and this is the kind of painful detail conversation that tends to die
[21:41] <Karlie> my ubuntu locos go bananas for stickers
[21:41] <Karlie> Media comes from us
[21:42] <Karlie> the rest is event specific
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[21:42] <ke4qqq> assign that to herlo and I as a task - we'll consult
the list but have it done by next meeting
[21:42] <gregdek> :)
[21:42] <gregdek> Done and done.
[21:42] * gregdek goes to update task list.
[21:42] <gregdek> While I'm doing that...
[21:42] <gregdek> * CDs and FAMSCO.
[21:43] <ke4qqq> ok I'll update
[21:43] <ke4qqq> iwolf isn't here
[21:43] <ke4qqq> he said FAMSCo is batting the idea around, no
conclusion yet, but meeting this week so perhaps we'll know then.
[21:43] <herlo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Drafts/NA/Tools
[21:43] <ke4qqq> eof
[21:43] <lcafiero> Sorry I'm new here: Can individual ambassadors add
things to kits? Reason I ask: Cabrillo College usually makes up
materials for events, and they did a Fedora event in May.
[21:44] <ke4qqq> lcafiero: yes
[21:44] <lcafiero> Cabrillo College GNU/Linux Users Group
[21:44] <ke4qqq> lcafiero: this is just to provide a uniform set of
minimum things needed easily
[21:44] <herlo> lets start adding items to that page, I'll garden it
and start a discussion on list
[21:44] <ke4qqq> k
[21:44] * herlo need another assignment :)
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[21:45] <herlo> sounds like moving forward time :)
[21:45] <ke4qqq> yes
[21:45] <gregdek> I'd say that any individual can augment their list
with whatever they want. :)
[21:45] <herlo> gregdek: to a point
[21:46] <herlo> well, wait, I see what you mean
[21:46] <herlo> +1 gregdek
[21:46] <gregdek> You pay for it, you give it out! No problem from me! :)
[21:46] <herlo> they can create anythign they want nearby and include it sure
[21:46] <jtaber> good wiki page - a schedule of events would be good -
also shows progress
[21:46] <herlo> jtaber: evetns pages is already available
[21:46] <gregdek> OK, moving on. Moving on?
[21:46] <gregdek> Ready?
[21:46] <Karlie> +1
[21:46] <MadBus> +1
[21:46] <LinuxKnight> +1
[21:47] <gregdek> * Ambassador Presence on Fedora Forums
[21:47] <herlo> jtaber: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events
[21:47] <gregdek> This should be a good one!
[21:47] <herlo> oh boy!
[21:47] <gregdek> Who proposed this one?
[21:47] <ke4qqq> I did
[21:47] * herlo runs away again
[21:47] <ke4qqq> after hearing the complaints on the list
[21:47] <inode0> what role do you want them to play?
[21:47] * jds2001 hides
[21:48] <ke4qqq> the problems listed are prima facie Ambassador
material - we are supposed to be the interface with the community, and
100k is more than we'll ever see at an event
[21:48] <quaid> darn your stinking logic!
[21:48] <ke4qqq> at the same time webforums scare me as well - hard to manage.
[21:48] * herlo doesn't disagree
[21:48] * jds2001 willing to help i guess
[21:48] <jds2001> but it is hard to manage
[21:48] <LinuxKnight> what were the complaints? I might have missed that
[21:48] <quaid> this is not "help solve a specific tech problem" but
[21:48] <quaid> be an interface to the rest of Fedora?
[21:48] <herlo> I don't think we have to *manage* it
[21:49] <herlo> I think rather, we can point people in the right
direction as we can.
[21:49] <quaid> herlo: right; be named resources for forum staff and
have a presence to show you answer stuff
[21:49] <MadBus> ambassadors presence in #Fedora is good too
[21:49] <herlo> maybe we should consider an initiative to get
ambassadors and others to participate 1 hour a week
[21:49] <jds2001> since im not sure what the perceived disconnection
is, i cant really help (though im more than willing to try and solve
whatever problems might exizst)
[21:49] <herlo> or 1hr a month
[21:49] <ke4qqq> or communicate the 'pulse' upstream to devs or docs or.....
[21:49] * quaid is looking up the thread
[21:50] <herlo> MadBus: that's a totally different animal, but I don't disagree
[21:50] <quaid> jds2001 et al:
[21:50] * inode0 is a bit disoriented
[21:50] <quaid> Problem:
[21:50] <gregdek> inode0: put your head between your knees and breathe. :)
[21:51] <quaid> fedoraforum.org is a large community of Fedorans who
don't have a formal connection to the rest of the project?
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[21:51] <gregdek> Whose fault is that?
[21:51] <gregdek> Ours, I think.
[21:51] <gregdek> "Formal connection"... what does that mean?
[21:51] <quaid> eh
[21:51] <herlo> last I checked it was formal
[21:51] <quaid> here's an example
[21:51] <ke4qqq> yeah I agree - if nothing else we should be that connection.
[21:51] <quaid> in that thread, ppl said forum folk do not feel they
are valued as a resource
[21:51] <gregdek> Hm!
[21:52] <quaid> e.g., a link on the front of fp.o isn't "enough"
[21:52] <gregdek> That's a problem.
[21:52] <quaid> right, and I expect part of it is simply presence
[21:52] <herlo> every time I ask about a forum for users to discuss
stuff, its fedoraforum.org
[21:52] <gregdek> A fair point. Ubuntu does a good job at this
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[21:52] <quaid> being there with a badge on your forum ID, "Fedora Ambassador"
[21:52] <ke4qqq> and this may be larger than what we can deal with -
but at the least we can try and make an appearance.
[21:52] <herlo> gregdek: they also own it
[21:52] <herlo> and run it
[21:52] <herlo> and babysit it
[21:52] <gregdek> Well, we've got this tricky thing:
[21:52] <herlo> and reward people for doing so
[21:53] <herlo> atta boy's but still
[21:53] <quaid> herlo: we can do the latter :)
[21:53] <herlo> +1
[21:53] <gregdek> fedoraforum.org is a great neutral ground,
completely unaffiliated with RH, where folks can safely talk about
Things That One Must Not Talk About.
[21:53] <gregdek> Which makes "formal" affiliation a bit tricky.
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[21:53] <f13> so here is a thought that we've been kicking around
[21:53] <quaid> gregdek: well, now
[21:54] <quaid> gregdek: I don't think it's like that; what we have
for linking out is good
[21:54] <f13> FAS could have something of a karma system, that loosely
tracks various things like IRC karma, and forum karma, and whatever
[21:54] <quaid> but we don't really say as much as we can, "this is a
great community of Fedorans ready to help you,etc."
[21:54] <herlo> f13: +1
[21:54] <f13> the people helping out in those various areas will
inevitibly gain karma of some sort
[21:55] <f13> we can also have the kudos wall, where people in the
community can drop little snippits of kudos to folks, and like planet,
they would be aggregated to a site
[21:55] * gregdek thinks.
[21:55] <inode0> recalls acknowledging #rhel people at the summit -
was a great success I think
[21:55] <MadBus> f13, adding karma was discussed at a #fedora meeting recently
[21:55] <gregdek> How do we link ff.org folks to accounts in fas? Do we bother?
[21:55] <gregdek> For karma purposes?
[21:55] <f13> now I'm one of those losers who is suggesting something,
without being able to produce code to back it up.
[21:55] <herlo> my question is, are these people who are currently
answering questions on ff.o already part of the fp.o?
[21:56] <f13> gregdek: ff.org members could list their FAS account
link for the sake of karma additions
[21:56] <f13> herlo: some may not be
[21:56] <herlo> that's what I was getting at +1 gregdek
[21:56] <jds2001> herlo: im sure that some are
[21:56] <f13> in fact, many are probably not
[21:56] <herlo> we should encourage them to become a part then...
[21:56] <f13> which might mean that the kudo wall feeds from forums as well
[21:56] <herlo> even if its only to get the karma
[21:56] <f13> if their software supports any such thing
[21:56] <gregdek> I know we're exposing more apis from fas every day...
[21:56] <ke4qqq> yeah we are potentially missing tons of contributors
[21:57] <quaid> I really want to see
[21:57] * herlo wants to promote those api's, but actually doesn't
know *anything* about them...
[21:57] <quaid> the wiki being used by fforum.org and #fedora
[21:57] <quaid> and I bet they will, given the chance and proper help/guidance
[21:57] <ke4qqq> quaid: yeah they just need a gentle shove......
[21:58] <quaid> ke4qqq: we're almost ready with the initial guidelines
[21:58] <herlo> quaid: I think the idea of getting a few ambassadors
on ff.o and starting to point to links on fp.o/wiki will help with
[21:58] * quaid tries not to look at ianweller, who will expose his dirty lie.
[21:58] <quaid> herlo: +1
[21:58] <ianweller> whut
[21:59] <gregdek> So it's easy to boil the ocean here. What can we do now/soon?
[21:59] <quaid> ianweller: I'm claiming we are almost ready for
squadrons of fforum.org wiki writers
[21:59] <ke4qqq> So - do we add that as aNA requirement - have a ff
account? start spending an hour per week?
[21:59] <quaid> 1. Ask Ambasadors to do time/week on the forum
[21:59] * herlo thinks we can make that another area where ambassadors
should live (and not just NA Ambassadors)
[21:59] <ianweller> quaid: via what, openid or FAS?
[21:59] <quaid> 2. have a set of common and useful links to spread --
Help:Wiki_Editing, Join, etc.
[21:59] <herlo> ke4qqq: 1hr/month
[21:59] <herlo> to start
[22:00] <Karlie> -1 for doing time
[22:00] <quaid> ianweller: exactly, whichever is ready
[22:00] * ke4qqq repeatedly recalls hearing people complaining that no
events were in their area - this gives them involvement.
[22:00] <quaid> Karlie: "some?"
[22:00] <inode0> please don't require people to do things they may not
want to do
[22:00] * gregdek has to go afk for a bit... bbiab
[22:00] <Karlie> I'm zero at tech skills
[22:00] <herlo> its not a requirement
[22:00] <quaid> "Ask" is what I said :)
[22:00] <Karlie> i'm a marketing/sales kind of girl
[22:00] <herlo> its just another thing an ambassador (can)( do
[22:00] <ke4qqq> herlo: +1
[22:00] <quaid> Karlie: good point
[22:00] <quaid> !
[22:01] <Karlie> hanging out at FF would be dreadful for me
[22:01] <jds2001> -1 for time, I'm busy enough in Fedora as is :)
[22:01] <quaid> I'd like to point out that Ambassador involvement on
the forum shouldn't be seen as tech support
[22:01] * inode0 saw the word requirement right before you said ask :)
[22:01] <lcafiero> +1 quaid
[22:01] <gregdek> And here we have the problem.
[22:01] <ke4qqq> we need to document this, what we are ASKing for and
[22:01] <lcafiero> I am on #lindependence most of the day, I can visit
#fedora or wherever and monitor
[22:01] <quaid> the involvement should be as a rep -- point people to
stuff that exists, docs, freemedia, etc.
[22:01] <gregdek> What if we give Field Promotions to the folks at
ff.o who are *already* kicking ass by helping folks?
[22:02] <quaid> gregdek: yes, but that is a different thing
[22:02] <quaid> "The Fedora Helpers SIG" or something
[22:02] <jds2001> define a "Field Promotion" :)
[22:02] <quaid> Ambassador requires intention
[22:02] <ke4qqq> that doesn't inherently make them more connected
[22:02] <ke4qqq> just provides a title
[22:02] <gregdek> So let me ask this:
[22:02] <quaid> "You did me a damn good turn, Sharpe, so now I'm going
to do you a damn bad one!"
[22:02] <inode0> oh, I completely support giving ambassadors tasks
that they could choose - being lost is a terrible thing when one wants
to do something
[22:02] <gregdek> Is it actually a good idea for Ambassadors to take
on this duty, if precious few of the ambassadors here actually want to
[22:03] <ke4qqq> is anyone actually against it?
[22:03] <quaid> I think there is a "what this task is" definition problem
[22:03] <gregdek> "this task" == "be the front end for #fedora or ff.o"
[22:03] <herlo> ?
[22:03] <quaid> and, as was said, this is a good way to do events
without travel :)
[22:03] * jds2001 not against it
[22:03] <gregdek> Of course no one is *against* it. But who's
actually going to *do* it?
[22:03] <ke4qqq> how about "be an interface to fp.o"
[22:03] <quaid> look
[22:03] <quaid> I'll troll through the forum
[22:04] <quaid> once a week
[22:04] <quaid> looking for major stuff
[22:04] <herlo> What ever happened to the task list idea for Seneca
College? Is that still going strong?
[22:04] <quaid> but we do need the Staff
[22:04] <quaid> etc., to bring things to our attention
[22:04] <herlo> shouldn't we have a task list too?
[22:04] <ke4qqq> yeah we need to make contact with ff.o staff.
[22:04] <herlo> things that *need* to get done, things that *can* get
done, etc. Not a list of what we're doing, but ongoing things
[22:05] <MadBus> herlo, +1
[22:05] <ke4qqq> the musts (FAS, CLA) the shoulds (planet feed) and
the cans (events, ff.o monitoring)
[22:05] <Karlie> when I was with the red cross we defined it as Must
services, Should services and Can services
[22:05] <inode0> sounds good to me
[22:06] <herlo> ke4qqq: and f am meetings could go under the shoulds
[22:06] <herlo> ke4qqq: I likes
[22:06] <herlo> +1 Karlie
[22:06] <ke4qqq> I may draft a page for next meeting
[22:06] <herlo> ke4qqq: lets add this to the NA Tasks
[22:06] <herlo> for YOU! :)
[22:06] <LinuxKnight> +1 must, should, can
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[22:07] <ke4qqq> herlo: ok
[22:07] <gregdek> ke4qqq: So what am I adding, exactly?
[22:08] <ke4qqq> :) that I'll document musts, shoulds, cans for NA Ambassadors
[22:08] <gregdek> Okeydoke.
[22:08] <ke4qqq> and have ready for review by next meeting
[22:08] <herlo> ke4qqq: I'll help you, just ping me
[22:08] <ke4qqq> ohhh another task for herlo?
[22:09] <gregdek> Which covers the agenda topic "Ambassador Presence
on Fedora Forums", I presume?
[22:09] <ke4qqq> yes
[22:09] <gregdek> OK.
[22:09] <gregdek> Then moving on?
[22:09] <herlo> ke4qqq: no, I'm just a particularly online guy
[22:09] <herlo> gregdek: +1
[22:09] <ke4qqq> yes
[22:09] <gregdek> * Fedora Ambassadors Day!
[22:09] <herlo> yay!
[22:09] <inode0> yay!
[22:09] <herlo> Lets have one!
[22:09] <ke4qqq> FAD - iwolf is absent - he is planning on setting up
a FAD and Ohio Linux Fest - promises email and wiki page soon
[22:09] <MadBus> woot
[22:10] <lcafiero> +1
[22:10] * herlo votes for that day
[22:10] * inode0 agrees
[22:10] <ke4qqq> s/and/at
[22:10] <jds2001> hmm, i'd love to go
[22:10] <jds2001> but somehow plane tickets are expensive right now
[22:10] * jds2001 could probably muster it though
[22:10] * herlo wondres one thing, is it possible to get some event
funding to have a NA FAD every year? Kind of like a mini-FUDCon for
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[22:11] <jds2001> why not do it *at* FUDCon
[22:11] <quaid> I would expect, yes, increasingly over time
[22:11] <herlo> not a ton, just a little to get those there that can't?
[22:11] <gregdek> Yes, why not do it at FUDCon?
[22:11] <herlo> or hlep in some form
[22:11] * herlo isn't against that, just there isn't one left for 2008
[22:11] * jds2001 also committed to Central PA opensource conference or somesuch
[22:11] <herlo> FUDCon, thta is
[22:12] <quaid> maybe we can get a corporate sponsorship, like from
Vans -- "Fedora Ambassadors eXtreme Daze!!"
[22:12] <herlo> quaid: FAXD?
[22:12] <jds2001> lol
[22:12] <MadBus> haha
[22:12] <inode0> not having FAD at FUDcon has some plusses
[22:13] <herlo> I think we could do this one at LFO, and then do one
in the Raleigh FUDCon's every year after that?
[22:13] <inode0> assuming it is colocated with another conference
[22:13] <Karlie> we can have it in my back yard :-D
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[22:13] <herlo> Karlie: where do you live again?
[22:13] <jds2001> Karlie: where you at? :)
[22:13] <Karlie> rochest
[22:13] <Karlie> rochester ny
[22:13] <herlo> NY would be nice
[22:13] <Karlie> by the lake
[22:13] <jds2001> hop skip and a jump for me
[22:13] <f13> hella expensive though
[22:13] * jds2001 in NYC metro
[22:13] <Karlie> not the city the state
[22:14] <inode0> FUDcon never leaves one part of the country, which is
a bit of an issue to some
[22:14] <Karlie> I"m closer to toronto than nyc
[22:14] <gregdek> What other conferences do people want to go to?
[22:14] <herlo> inode0: that's a good point
[22:14] <inode0> may change with the summit though
[22:14] <lcafiero> Linux World? Short notice, I know
[22:14] <jds2001> gregdek: you're handling the logistics for the
Central PA one, right?
[22:14] <lcafiero> NY is far for us Californians
[22:14] <MadBus> we could meet in the middle
[22:14] <MadBus> Chicago?
[22:14] * herlo thinks FAD should maybe be Regional?
[22:15] <ke4qqq> OH is considered MidWest isn't it?
[22:15] <f13> gregdek: the cons that make sense to me for Fedora is
FUDCon, RH Summit to an extent, Linux Symposium, OSCon, SCALE, (Linux
[22:15] <herlo> one every 6 months in a region...
[22:15] <gregdek> jds2001: I think that loupgaroublond is taking over
[22:15] <herlo> ke4qqq: it is
[22:15] <gregdek> f13: Yeah, that's a good list.
[22:15] * ke4qqq wonders if there are enough ambassadors in each
region for that at this point. We aren't like France yet.
[22:15] <inode0> ke4qqq: not by people from the Midwest :)
[22:15] * herlo points to UTOSC :) for f13 and gregdek (shameless
[22:15] <f13> UTOSC?
[22:15] <herlo> f13: check the events page
[22:15] <lcafiero> Utah.
[22:16] <herlo> Utah Open Source Conference
[22:16] <gregdek> Heh.
[22:16] <f13> oh, there is also a show that Chris Tyler was advertising.
[22:16] <gregdek> Yeah, that will be a big one too.
[22:16] <gregdek> So let's have a FAD at EVERY EVENT!
[22:16] <gregdek> Sigh.
[22:16] <lcafiero> +10 in binary
[22:16] <herlo> lol, I think my idea was a good one...
[22:16] <f13> herlo: ah right, so there are things like UTOSC, Indiana
has a show, uh..
[22:16] <lcafiero> Ohio, Ontario . . .
[22:16] <f13> I thikn there are a lot of regional shows like that, and
I would lump Linux Fest Northwest into it.
[22:16] <Karlie> so every event = drinks someplace? wait that's what we do now
[22:16] <herlo> f13: we're only in year two, and we're growing massively...
[22:17] <inode0> why not start with OLF, try to get as many there as
possible for a kickoff ...
[22:17] <f13> I see mostly thee catagories of shows
[22:17] <MadBus> f13, Indiana has a show?
[22:17] <jtaber> FWIW I think FUDCon is right place - those that can
get together at UTOS or Ohio so much the better
[22:17] <herlo> Regional FADs don't have to coincide with events, but
there are enough opportunities probalby
[22:17] <f13> there are the major shows like FUDCon and RH Summit,
then there are the larger shows that people travel for, like (O)LS,
OScon, SCALE, and then there are the more regional shows that draw
from, well, a region, like ohio, utos, lfnw, etc..
[22:18] <herlo> and it'd be nice to get some ppl coming from other
regions on occasion.
[22:18] <herlo> f13: yeah, it seems to me that regional shows is where
FADs could be held.
[22:19] <f13> MadBus: they did in '07 http://www.ussg.iu.edu/linuxfest/
[22:19] <gregdek> So where are we on this conversation? Regional FADs, maybe?
[22:19] <gregdek> Utah can be the France of NA Ambassadors. :)
[22:19] <f13> MadBus: also many previous years. I spoke at one 'round
the FC2/3 era
[22:19] <herlo> gregdek: uh...
[22:19] <herlo> okay...
[22:19] <f13> herlo: makes sense to me, capturing the A's of the region
[22:19] <MadBus> f13, cool, I'll look into that with IU
[22:20] * stickster just fell asleep in front of computer, now deserting
[22:20] <ke4qqq> gregdek: iwolf proposed one - nothing else other than
the announcement. shall we vote on that proposal - or vote to do one
at next fudcon?
[22:20] <herlo> lets put this as an item to add to the ml this week
and see where it goes?
[22:20] <lcafiero> +1
[22:20] <gregdek> Sure.
[22:20] <gregdek> Who's got the ball?
[22:20] <herlo> which?
[22:20] <jds2001> the big beach ball
[22:21] <jds2001> seriosuly, regional FAD's I guess
[22:21] <inode0> let's see what iWolf sends out and maybe discuss it a
bit on the list?!
[22:21] * herlo hits at it, but misses. Damned uncoordinated ambassador arms!
[22:21] <herlo> list +1
[22:21] <jds2001> that's ok, mine's busted
[22:21] <jds2001> (arm that is)
[22:22] <herlo> jds2001: still?
[22:22] <herlo> and I thought it was the shoulder
[22:22] <jds2001> oh yeah. had surgery about a month ago
[22:22] <herlo> I read
[22:22] <jds2001> yeah, it's the shoulder
[22:22] <Karlie> topic?
[22:22] <ke4qqq> gregdek: we'll await iwolf announcement and assign
the task to him
[22:22] <gregdek> All righty.
[22:22] <gregdek> Moving on?
[22:22] *** stickster is now known as stickster_afk.
[22:22] <ke4qqq> yes
[22:22] <herlo> yep
[22:22] <Karlie> +1
[22:22] <gregdek> * Events!
[22:23] * gregdek likes the idea of discussing events monthly and
making that the SOLE topic for that meeting, fwiw.
[22:23] * herlo is here because this section will be exciting!
[22:23] * ianweller commences lurking
[22:23] <herlo> gregdek: lets do it
[22:23] <ke4qqq> btw, this hopefully isn't event report...... though
perhaps at the monthly meeting....but what we could do better for past
events and whats needed for future ones.
[22:23] <herlo> gregdek: 1st meeting of the month?
[22:24] <gregdek> herlo: That could work.
[22:24] <gregdek> What do other folks think?
[22:24] <ianweller> +1 to that, makes sense
[22:24] <Karlie> +1
[22:24] <ke4qqq> +9 (9 is our range right?)
[22:24] <ianweller> lol
[22:24] * herlo points out that it would be next week
[22:24] <lcafiero> +1
[22:24] <LinuxKnight> +1
[22:25] <jds2001> +1
[22:25] <gregdek> Then let's talk events next week!
[22:25] <ke4qqq> so are we tabling that til next week
[22:25] * herlo will adjust the meetings page with this detail..
[22:25] <ianweller> herlo: \o/
[22:25] <ke4qqq> One note though - we MUST get any events for next
quarter on by aug 1
[22:26] <gregdek> True dat.
[22:26] <ke4qqq> so if you want a release party, or $event and need
stuff for it, it needs to be on the list
[22:26] <ke4qqq> thats only a couple days away -
[22:26] * jds2001 would love to do a NYC release party
[22:26] <jds2001> dcolish: you in for that?
[22:27] <dcolish> absolutely!
[22:27] <ke4qqq> I'll also note that EMEA has almost 4x the number of
events, LATAM 2 or 3x and APAC even has more than we do.
[22:27] <dcolish> pick a date, just not aug 7th
[22:27] <inode0> is it possible to just budget some amount for all
release parties and let them organize later?
[22:27] * MadBus would love to do an Indy release party.
[22:27] <jds2001> dcolish: sometime after release :)
[22:27] <jds2001> October timeframe
[22:27] <dcolish> ha, oops
[22:27] <ke4qqq> gregdek: thoughts on inode0's question?
[22:27] <inode0> as we get more ambassadors involved this might be a
good first event but they perhaps won't be on the bus by the 1st
[22:28] <herlo> gregdek: ke4qqq if we add an event, does it have to have a date?
[22:28] <ke4qqq> it does have to have an owner - and it will be in a
given quarter by definition I suppose
[22:28] <herlo> I think I can say that I'd want an installfest/release
party in mid/late November, but I don't have the dates solid yet
[22:29] * gregdek brb
[22:29] <ke4qqq> neither do I - planning a quarter our is difficult
[22:29] * herlo thinks it will actually be in Idaho because we're
getting a good bit of interest from there...
[22:30] <ke4qqq> s/ahead/our/
[22:30] <gregdek> Hm. Budget questions.
[22:30] <gregdek> It's a bit of chicken and egg.
[22:30] <gregdek> We need to at least take a guess. How many release
parties? How much per party?
[22:30] <herlo> I can plan a quarter ahead, just can't guarantee the
[22:30] <gregdek> And I must admit that I'm not up on the latest
numbers for that stuff in EMEA.
[22:31] <f13> can we get some estimates from previous parties?
[22:31] <gregdek> This sounds like a FAMSCO question.
[22:31] <herlo> gregdek: what was last quarter's budget for that?
[22:31] <herlo> we could semi-base it on previous numbers
[22:31] <ke4qqq> so the action item for people is: put up a release
party on the event page with details you know now so we get budget for
[22:31] <ke4qqq> IF you'll be having one
[22:31] <herlo> we need to blog about it/put it on the ml
[22:32] <herlo> today/tomorrow
[22:32] <ke4qqq> yep!
[22:32] * herlo sidesteps and lets others take this one...
[22:32] <Karlie> sorry all, but I have to go get my beauty sleep
[22:32] <ke4qqq> I'll blog and post mailing list
[22:32] <herlo> Karlie: sleep well
[22:33] <Karlie> ty - good night
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[22:33] <gregdek> All right, it's probably time for me to bail too, actually.
[22:33] <gregdek> I've got to get some presentation stuff done for
[22:33] <-- dcolish has left this server ("dinner time").
[22:33] <gregdek> Do others want to continue?
[22:33] <ke4qqq> this is the last item and I think we have our action item
[22:33] <lcafiero> What's left?
[22:33] <herlo> i'm here
[22:33] <herlo> lcafiero: this is it
[22:34] <ke4qqq> but if we have AOB
[22:34] <ke4qqq> we can continue
[22:34] <herlo> AOB?
[22:34] <ke4qqq> Any other business
[22:34] * herlo tried to figure it out first, I promise
[22:34] <lcafiero> heh
[22:34] * quaid thinks 1.5 hrs is enuff :)
[22:34] <herlo> ke4qqq: you and I could go for another hour easy.
[22:35] <ke4qqq> yeah.
[22:35] <lcafiero> quaid =1
[22:35] <lcafiero> +1
[22:35] <ke4qqq> quaid: I tried to keep it to 10minutes per item but
[22:35] <lcafiero> (sticking shift key)
[22:35] <ke4qqq> people ignored my admon
[22:35] <inode0> one more question
[22:35] <herlo> ke4qqq: I didn't
[22:36] <ke4qqq> people excepting herlp
[22:36] <ke4qqq> herlo
[22:36] * herlo tried to move things forward. I think part of it is
that we're still getting going again. This was very successful
[22:36] <ke4qqq> yeah I have no complaints
[22:36] <inode0> letters going out to old ambassadors should include
anything specific? or general hello, can we help you do some stuff?
[22:36] <ke4qqq> inode0: your question?
[22:36] <lcafiero> Good meeting
[22:36] <herlo> as we continue forward, we'll have a better rhythm
[22:36] <herlo> inode0: we have a formmail if you'd like to use it
[22:36] <quaid> yeah, lots to cover, takes time, all good!
[22:36] <ke4qqq> inode0: I'll send you what I am sending (herlo edited
it heavily - actually reauthored it)
[22:36] <herlo> ke4qqq: lol, yeah
[22:37] <inode0> ok, thanks
[22:38] <ke4qqq> anything else from anyone?
[22:38] <jtaber> not much discussion as to what could be done on
campuses - maybe if no one else working I'll see what i can do
[22:38] <quaid> jtaber: there is lots of discussion going on around that
[22:38] <herlo> jtaber: that's coming, we should put that on the
agenda for two weeks from now
[22:38] <lcafiero> Did I miss that item?
[22:38] <ke4qqq> jtaber: inode0 has discussed that heavily
[22:38] <quaid> yeah, it's YetAnotherImportantTopic
[22:38] <lcafiero> <--- president of college lug
[22:38] * quaid is about to drift out of here
[22:39] <ke4qqq> quaid: thanks for attending
[22:39] * gregdek comes back.
[22:39] <herlo> jtaber: quaid: we have discussions going on, but It'd
be nice if there were a way for us to focus on that sort of thing as
[22:39] <gregdek> Looking for work items I failed to document...
[22:39] <inode0> lets put several outreach topics on future agendas
[22:39] * herlo looks at gregdek's list
[22:39] <inode0> try to get jack to speak with us about campus outreach
[22:40] <ke4qqq> inode0: I think the next few agendas are up (right
herlo?) feel free to add them to the agenda.
[22:40] <inode0> also other community outreach, NPOs etc.
[22:40] <jds2001> inode0: i just sent you what ke4qqq sent me
[22:40] <herlo> ke4qqq: they aren't, but I can do that tonight
[22:40] <ke4qqq> inode0: also if it's something that requires lots of
discussion input ML could be better.
[22:40] <herlo> gregdek: I think some things are missing, who's gonna
post this on the list btw and od the summary?
[22:40] <herlo> *do
[22:41] <ke4qqq> I'll do post and summary.
[22:41] <inode0> campus outreach is tricky since there is something of
an official effort underway that we don't know details of
[22:41] <herlo> FAD isn't on the task list for iWolf
[22:41] <gregdek> inode0: EMAIL JACK NOW.
[22:41] <gregdek> herlo: I thought you said wait...?
[22:42] <herlo> gregdek: he needs to announce and that was ke4qqq who said wait
[22:42] <herlo> we're waiting for him
[22:42] <herlo> him == iWolf
[22:43] <herlo> gregdek: another task list item, Remind ppl on ml
about q3 budgets for events / release parties, etc
[22:43] <herlo> and blogs too
[22:43] * gregdek edits...
[22:43] <herlo> ke4qqq: any other items I missed? still scrolling back
Greg DeKoenigsberg led the meeting - around 20 participants showed up.
We initially discussed action items from last week:
*Contacting NA Ambassadors - report from Clint Savage, John Rose and
David Nalley that this was still much in progress.
*Toolkit and Eventbox - Much discussion ensued and resulted in
definition of the terms EventBox and Event Kit as follows:
EventBox = persistent. Banners plus "other stuff" that needs to go to
EventKit = more of something *every* ambassador will just have on hand
and can order as needed
In addition Clint Savage and David Nalley were tasked with defining
what was contained in each by next meeting.
Further Clint Savage was tasked with defining how shipping an EventBox
would work and be tracked so as to keep it accountable.
*Outsourcing CDs - Jeffrey Tadlock was absent but reported via email
that the idea was still being considered by FAmSCo.
*Presence of Ambassadors on Fedora Forums. - Discussion centered
around purpose (ie Ambassadors aren't responsible to provide tech
support, but are to point to resources and act as the public face of
Fedora on the forums. It was suggested that this was an ideal way for
those who aren't near/can't attend conferences to get involved with
the Ambassadors.) Out of this discussion came the necessity for
defining "Musts", "Shoulds" and "Coulds" for NA Ambassadors and was
tasked to David Nalley.
*Fedora Ambassadors Day - Jeffrey Tadlock wasn't present to propose
FAD at OLF, but discussion ensued about when and where and if to
regionalize. In the end we decided to wait for public announcement by
Jeffrey Tadlock and evaluate at that point.
*Events - To keep us from getting weighed down with event content we
decided to push events to the first meeting of each month and to table
further event discussions til next week. It was noted that we needed
to add any events to the schedule for budgeting. Discussion ensued
about how firm such events must be given that several would like to
host F10 release parties but didn't have details as of yet. Consensus
was to add release parties if committed to holding them with as much
detail as possible and update as needed.
Following the above 1.5+ hours of discussion the meeting quietly concluded.
Just a quick reminder/encouragement to post events on the events page
if you need any resources. Aug 1st is the deadline for it to be
considered in the Q3 budget - so please take a look at events
happening around you and list an event if you want to represent Fedora
there. Keep in mind the F10 release occurs in Q3, so any release
parties need to be listed as well.
I'm working on a strategy presentation to help a client understand the
cost/benefit to IT departments for switching 100% to open source. I
searched the list archives, but didn't see anything relevant.
Can anyone point to some good research on the topic or case studies of
companies that have done this?
DC Metro Ambassador
NA Ambassador here, just finished with OReilly OSCON last week, had a great
turnout (from what I saw anyway).
I spoke a bit with Jack Aboutboul during the OSCON about revisiting the
topic of custom printed USB flash drives for schwag, and also possibly to
offer for sale.
He said that it has been tried before (I noticed later he has one), but it
turned out to be somewhat expensive, and the drives were too small to be
useful for our purposes, such as only 256M or 512M (bootable livecd based
Fedora system needs 700M at least). Now USB drives are getting bigger and
cheaper for the size, so a 1GB or 2GB drive should be more reasonable price
I would think.
I have done a little preliminary scouting, but since I don't know what kind
of quantities we want I can't really get quotes, and Jack didn't mention
what company was used before.
He said to bring the topic up on the mailing list for discussion, so here I
am, and here it is.
It looks like there is a NA meeting tonight, I'll do my best to make it and
bring it up there too.
Hi folks --
This is the last call for the first round of Fedora Ambassador polos.
Shipment is expected in the next few weeks, in plenty of time for fall
cons and the October FUDCon. Please e-mail me off list if you are
interested and want to order one with your snail mail address, quantity
Here is what we are ordering:
*Style Number:*D100 Devon & Jones Pima Pique Knit in French Blue
*Style Description:* 100% Peruvian Pima Cotton. Additional yarn in
collar and cuffs for a neater appearance and greater durability; stretch
tape in shoulders for extra strength; three-button placket, Dura-pearl™
buttons; rib-knit cuffs; grey heather is 90% cotton, 10% polyester.
The polos feature the official Fedora logo on the chest and sleeve.
Cost: $42.40 each including shipping for sizes up to XL; $3.00 extra for
2XL and up. For orders of two polos, the cost drops down to $69.00.
Payment is either via PayPal or you can send me a check drawn on a US
bank in US dollars.
Mexican Ambassadors should get in contact with Alejandro Acosta
<aacosta(a)fedoraproject.org>, as he will be coordinating finding a vendor
Fedora Ambassador, Indiana USA
Fedora Weekly News: Marketing beat reporter
[20:59] <gregdek> Looks like meeting time, eh?
[20:59] <gregdek> Or 3 minutes till?
[21:02] <Karlie> Hello everyone
[21:02] <ke4qqq> Hi Karlie
[21:03] <iWolf> Karlie: hi!
[21:03] <gregdek> Let the ROLL CALL begin!
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[21:03] <inode0> hehe, let's go so I can stop reading *the* thread
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[21:03] <gregdek> Sigh. Which thread is *the* thread?
[21:03] <vwbusguy> hello
[21:03] <ke4qqq> DavidNalley
[21:03] <iWolf> JeffreyTadlock
[21:03] <inode0> JohnRose
[21:03] <VileGent> JamesBenWilliams
[21:04] <Karlie> Karlie Robinson
[21:04] <vwbusguy> ScottWilliams
[21:05] <herlo> herlo
[21:05] <gregdek> OK, that looks like quorum to me.
[21:05] <herlo> ClintSavage
[21:05] <gregdek> I hear that folks have been working on an agenda. :)
[21:05] <herlo> yes we have...
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[21:06] <gregdek> So. Who's our chair for tonight? herlo or ke4qqq? :)
[21:07] <gregdek> (Since I may get kicked out of here, and the meeting
must proceed whether I am here or not)
[21:07] <herlo> lol, I think its a combined effort
[21:07] <ke4qqq> gregdek: keep leading, herlo can take over if you fall out.
[21:07] <herlo> ke4qqq started the discussion, and I ended it...
[21:07] <gregdek> All right.
[21:07] <gregdek> So it looks like the first item is reports on last
week's action items.
[21:08] <gregdek> My page:
[21:08] <gregdek> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NorthAmerica
[21:08] <gregdek> This is the page I set up for task tracking. Is it useful?
[21:08] <gregdek> Should it move to another url?
[21:09] <herlo> I prefer NA, but otherwise, yes
[21:09] <ke4qqq> it's useful.
[21:09] <rislam> Its perfect to track everything in one page with
task.. its helpful
[21:10] <iWolf> i agree with helpful
[21:10] <herlo> but FF can type it in for me so...
[21:10] <gregdek> Then it appears that we've got two completed tasks
-- completion of the page itself :) and the polo shirts.
[21:10] <gregdek> But new tasks, we have none.
[21:10] <gregdek> So I guess we'll be adding some of those after the
[21:10] <ke4qqq> one would assume.
[21:10] * herlo points to the agenda and what will come out of it though...
[21:10] <iWolf> +1
[21:12] <gregdek> OK.
[21:12] <gregdek> So then we're done with that.
[21:12] <gregdek> Next on the agenda:
[21:12] <gregdek> Proposed NA structure and goals.
[21:12] <gregdek> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Drafts/NA/Goals
[21:13] <herlo> I think the main focus we had from a discussion
between ke4qqq and I, was that the leadership should be merit based.
[21:14] <herlo> To invoke that merit, however, needs to be enticed a little.
[21:14] <herlo> so those who are here today, have a definite piece of
the construction of how NA Ambassadors comes to be
[21:15] <herlo> per our discussion, we've divided NA into 3 main
regions, hoping to get an active Ambassador in each state/province
[21:15] <ke4qqq> yes - and that we aren't suggesting that this is
fixed in stone - but these were the non-RH employees that showed up at
the last meeting and we built it from that - and essentially that
someone needs to take ownership of whats going on in a region.
[21:16] <iWolf> i think the regional leaders assigned are fine, fedora
is all about people that do the work leading the way, so I don't see
objections over the regional leaders chosen.
[21:16] <VileGent> +1
[21:16] <gregdek> +1
[21:17] <herlo> one thing we did want to discuss was that we really
need a regional ambassador for Canada as its pretty big.
[21:17] <herlo> question is, do we have any Ambassadors in Canadia?
[21:17] <rislam> but the regional leaders should be little bit
aggresive to get connected with all the ambassadors
[21:17] <ke4qqq> and we dumped it John Rose if no one from Canada
wants to pick it up.
[21:17] <herlo> rislam: we agree
[21:17] <rislam> for all of yours kind info.. in canada we are only 8 people
[21:17] <herlo> that's the regional leaders pov too
[21:17] <ke4qqq> rislam: we plan on it - we've already divied up names
and will start hitting ambassadors based on region asap
[21:18] <inode0> 8 are listed
[21:18] <ke4qqq> rislam: you are the new Canadian regional ambassador?
[21:18] <rislam> yes
[21:18] <rislam> yes i am
[21:18] <rislam> most of them working with redhat and they are pretty busy
[21:18] * herlo needs a bit of curiosity as to where to find these
names? I'm not that versed in this information gathering you all seem
[21:19] <herlo> rislam: perfect!
[21:19] <iWolf> the country list off the main ambassador page
[21:19] <ke4qqq> herlo: it's in the country section, but iirc there
were more than 8.
[21:19] <iWolf> herlo: ^^^
[21:19] * herlo looks
[21:19] <herlo> oh, perfect!
[21:19] * herlo bookmarks the page
[21:20] <iWolf> now that isn't entirely accurate, it depends on the
ambassador to add themselves to that page.
[21:20] <iWolf> but its a good start.
[21:20] <herlo> sure, that's good enough for me
[21:21] <ke4qqq> herlo: did you get the list of ambassadors I sent
divided by region?
[21:21] <herlo> iWolf: well, I'm on there :) so I must have known
about it at some point
[21:21] <iWolf> herlo: :)
[21:21] <herlo> ke4qqq: when did you send it?
[21:21] <ke4qqq> two days ago
[21:21] <rislam> i will be back all of u
[21:21] <herlo> ke4qqq: looking, but I don't recall that. Doesn't
mean I didn't miss it
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[21:22] <inode0> we can be very flexible about this, if more folks
come forward we can rearrange things to accommodate
[21:22] <inode0> I think this is ok to get us started now
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[21:22] <gregdek> So is this list accurate at this point, and all agree to it?
[21:22] <herlo> ke4qqq: found it
[21:22] <iWolf> inode0: agreed, flexibility is good, and this is a
good start to move forward.
[21:22] <ke4qqq> but I don't want to get too bogged down - essentially
this is very much in motion and will get us started - start by taking
ownership of what's going on.
[21:22] <iWolf> ke4qqq: +1
[21:23] <herlo> agreed, plus we can start contacting individuals. the
biggest thing for me is to get them involved and keep them involved,
which brings me to our responsibilities
[21:24] <gregdek> Does "contacting individual ambassadors" get added
to the TODO?
[21:24] <ke4qqq> Yes!
[21:24] <iWolf> what is the contact message going to be?
[21:24] <herlo> so the thing I'm looking at is activities. There's
been heavy discussion between ke4qqq and I about getting these people
involved with their local LUGs and other activities.
[21:25] <herlo> and keeping them involved
[21:25] <herlo> the thing I continue to be hung up on, is how we
entice them. I think there's a bit of give and take
[21:25] <iWolf> side note, the discussions should probably take place
on the ambassadors m-l, so eveyone can offer input, might be a good
way to find other active NA ambassadors.
[21:25] <herlo> agreed. lets do that there then...
[21:25] * herlo hadn't even thought of that.
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[21:26] * gregdek goes to add to the TODO while discussion continues...
[21:26] * inode0 wants to push ambassadors partnering with charities
to do good things
[21:26] <ke4qqq> iWolf - that essentially we want to stop the drifting
- we want to take ownership, and we are the 'regional ambassadors,
please tell us what we can do to spur things on. Ask them to get
involved, speak at lugs, provide reports of said things, etc.
[21:26] <herlo> but I'd like to point out that if we do a little for
the ambassadors up front (new or re-invigorated ones), we help them to
feel more a part of the fedora team
[21:26] * inode0 also wants to nudge Fedora to in some way sponsor
[21:27] * herlo agrees totally with inode0
[21:27] <herlo> which is where the give and take comes in
[21:27] <iWolf> ke4qqq: sounds like a good contact message. +1
[21:27] <gregdek> Time to have the famsco budget discussion. :)
[21:27] <inode0> sponsorship doesn't necessarily mean money in these cases
[21:27] <herlo> gregdek: no, we just want it all :)
[21:28] <herlo> inode0: I think it does to a point, but it shouldn't
be a heavy investment
[21:28] <herlo> the proof is in the reports (aka blog posts, pictures, etc)
[21:28] <ke4qqq> we do need to define our relationship with FAMSCo
...... most of us kind of ignore them and back channel to gregdek or
[21:29] <gregdek> Which, as has been pointed out to me rigorously, is
a mistake. :)
[21:29] <ke4qqq> which isn't healthy for FAMSCo or for showing that we
are doing anything
[21:29] <herlo> okay, so I think there's a divergence of thought here
[21:29] <inode0> Fedora lending its name to an effort is valuable on
the local level - don't underestimate that
[21:29] <herlo> one is, getting to the discussion of FAMSco and the
other is to discuss how we invigorate ambassadors
[21:29] <herlo> which one should we tackle first?
[21:30] <gregdek> the latter.
[21:30] <VileGent> well having meetings at time that all ambassadors
are not in the middle of work hours helps i think like tonights
[21:30] <ke4qqq> indeed.
[21:31] <herlo> so, I was pointing out that if we make a small
investment in the ambassadors, we can see the returns more quickly.
Something like giving them a tshirt and some LiveCDs. They wear the
t-shirt or give it away...
[21:31] <herlo> when they blog about it or put up pictures, that's our
reward, then we invest a little more
[21:31] <VileGent> annouceing such meetings in channels like #fedora
#fedora-unity got me in here
[21:32] <herlo> the idea is to give ambassadors a bit of incentive to
get started, then move them to a broader role (aka their State/area)
would be a good win for Fedora
[21:32] <iWolf> herlo: i agree to a point, but we do do this with
ambassadors that step up to handle an event.
[21:32] <herlo> iWolf: right, I know
[21:32] <herlo> and those people should already be rewarded.
[21:33] <Karlie> the biggest thing to get volunteers charged up is a task
[21:33] <iWolf> herlo: and with limited funds, you have to ask which
gets more bang for the $, swag to ambassadors that already use fedora
or swag to potential new fedora users.
[21:33] <herlo> the work so hard to make events turn out nice, and I
think they fit well in this scheme
[21:33] * iWolf doesn't necessarily know the answer to that
[21:33] <ke4qqq> iWolf: but it's an EVENT.....not a LUG
meeting.....not talking to the Lions Club
[21:33] <inode0> Karlie: +1
[21:33] <herlo> Karlie: right on!
[21:33] <Karlie> people need something to do
[21:33] <iWolf> ke4qqq: as in you mean we only provide for events?
[21:33] <herlo> I guess for me, until this past FUDCon, I didn't
really feel like I knew how to contribute.
[21:33] [Nick] Erroneous Nickname
[21:34] <iWolf> ke4qqq: put the planned lug talk up on the events
page, it counts.
[21:34] <ke4qqq> iWolf: I mean that is what it's structured for.
[21:34] <herlo> I didnt really feel like I was Fedora (pardon the pun)
[21:34] <inode0> rewarding and encouraging small "events" is high on
my wish list too - there should be far more of those
[21:34] <iWolf> we (famsco) also pushed hard for release parties for f9 as well
[21:34] <lcafiero> agree with inode0
[21:34] <iWolf> small events belong on the Fedora Events page as well.
[21:34] <herlo> but I wanted to belong, be a part of this cool goings
on. And while people say, just start doing stuff, I was kind of
[21:34] <ke4qqq> small events seem insignificant on the list -
compared with linuxtag.
[21:35] <ke4qqq> yeah we need to mentor people - be they old inactive or new.
[21:35] <rislam> its also part of reward iWolf
[21:35] <iWolf> say I am in Ohio looking for soemthing Fedora going
on, where do I look. I should be looking at the Fedora Events page.
[21:35] <herlo> to me, its getting people involved in the little ways
[21:35] <inode0> they belong on the events page but do they get put there?
[21:35] <iWolf> inode0: no, they do not. But they should. :)
[21:35] <iWolf> we can lead by example.
[21:35] <herlo> I was emailed personally by Max telling me not to give
up on FUDCon and that they'd help me get there. This is the kind of
thing that I want to give to ambassadors. Unfortunately, RH doesn't
have money to fly everyone everywhere
[21:35] <iWolf> so people don't get afraid to put their LUG event there.
[21:36] <ke4qqq> iWolf: NO I disagree - you should be contacted by the
OH state Ambassador and have him mentor. The ambassador who is mature
should go out and find events to list on the page.
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[21:36] <iWolf> ke4qqq: and I do that.
[21:36] <herlo> iWolf: I think part of the problem is that people
think a LUG event is significant enough
[21:36] <herlo> at least in NA
[21:36] <ke4qqq> I don't doubt that you do - but no one did that with herlo or I
[21:36] <iWolf> ke4qqq: I have actually touched base with herlo as
well for his Utah event.
[21:36] <gregdek> The events page, right now, is intended more for coordination.
[21:36] <iWolf> ke4qqq: because I didn't think anyone else had.
[21:36] <herlo> iWolf: now I know who you are :)
[21:37] <iWolf> herlo: :)
[21:37] * herlo did a /whois on you last time with no good info
[21:38] <herlo> iWolf: and I agree on events, we should continue to
spend money there, I just wnat to make it easier for Ambassadors to
work simpler, easier crowds.
[21:38] <inode0> well if we found a way to exhibit pride in covering
small local talks, even to 15 people, I think it would be good all
[21:38] * herlo agrees with inode0
[21:38] <Karlie> so how do you task an ambassador to talk to the lug?
[21:38] <iWolf> herlo: I agree with making things eaier for small
events, shoot, I agree with trying to make things easier for *all*
[21:39] <Karlie> give them templates to use?
[21:39] <inode0> and I guess we should shut up and do it, post them,
let other ambassadors see we think they are important
[21:39] <iWolf> Karlie: Templates for talks would be great.
[21:39] <herlo> Karlie: we get state ambassadors and have them go out,
start small their local lugs
[21:39] <ke4qqq> Karlie: you give him a slide deck and tell him to go
talk - maybe go with him if you are close enough
[21:39] <gregdek> inode0: an emphatic +1!
[21:39] <ke4qqq> build confidence and 'ownership'
[21:39] <herlo> regional ambassadors might have to help them by
sending a few emails around, mentoring isn't the simplest job, but I
think its going to win out in the end
[21:39] <iWolf> yep, we need to provide ambassadors with "starter"
talks, slide decks, etc.
[21:39] <Karlie> I just think that if they had some choices
[21:40] <iWolf> lower that hurdle for an ambassador to do a local event.
[21:40] <Karlie> pick a talk, go to a confrence, plan a party
[21:40] <VileGent> help at an installfest and bring media
[21:40] <rislam> picking a talk isn't wise
[21:40] <herlo> regional ambassadors might have to make a trip a
couple states away, and maybe that can be accommodated expenswise and
maybe not, but there's room for us to figure that out
[21:40] * herlo wants those 10 things written on our task list now :)
[21:40] <herlo> gregdek: ^^
[21:41] <herlo> I guess I could put them there too
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[21:41] <ke4qqq> but at least on the east coast there is an ambassador
within 100 miles of virtually everwhere.....I know that isn't true in
the rest of the country.
[21:41] <Karlie> Not everyone would be cofortable in front of a crowd
so plan a party instead - just do something
[21:41] <gregdek> herlo: what 10 things?
[21:41] <herlo> gregdek: just kidding, there are only a few
[21:41] <herlo> pick a talk, go to a confrence, plan a party
[21:41] <herlo> 19:40 < VileGent> help at an installfest and bring media
[21:41] <ke4qqq> Karlie: yeah not necessarily a talk - perhaps going
to an Ubuntu installfest and offering an alternative?
[21:41] <lcafiero> or 10 in binary maybe?
[21:41] <iWolf> ke4qqq: I think that's bad form.
[21:41] * herlo disagrees with rislam about picking a talk not being
wise. Simple talks are important
[21:41] <iWolf> ke4qqq: just my opinion.
[21:42] <herlo> gregdek: do you want me to put them there? I can
[21:42] <VileGent> herlo, my lug knows i will show up with fedora media
[21:42] <Karlie> I've been to Ubuntu install parties
[21:42] <herlo> VileGent: yay!
[21:42] <herlo> Karlie: me too
[21:42] <ke4qqq> I was actually invited to one to present fedora 2
months back - shocked me.
[21:42] * herlo actually held a release party combined with Fedora and Ubuntu
[21:42] <gregdek> herlo: Do it. :)
[21:42] <herlo> gregdek: k, will do
[21:42] <VileGent> herlo, heck i show up at Ohio linuxfest with re-spin media
[21:43] <ldimaggi_> herlo, Hello?
[21:43] * iWolf notes he did
[21:43] <ke4qqq> have we hashed this enough for tonight?? or do we need more.
[21:43] <iWolf> we need to come out of this with a task.
[21:43] <iWolf> so...
[21:43] <inode0> I think a lot of ambassadors aren't well situated for
planning release parties - I'd like to have a release party or a local
talk be encouraged for F10
[21:43] <iWolf> we need to enable ambassadors to do this, host a small
talk to a lug, etc.
[21:43] <ke4qqq> TASK: stated regional ambassadors will contact
ambassaodrs in their regions...
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[21:44] <iWolf> inode0: can you explain more? we posted tons on
release parties for f9, what was lacking?
[21:44] <iWolf> where can we (famsco) improve?
[21:44] <iWolf> re: release party prep?
[21:44] <ke4qqq> TASK: See if marketing/artwork will do us a nice
slidedeck that's simple enough for a new ambassador to cover.
[21:44] <herlo> rislam: what is your wiki page?
[21:44] <herlo> I'm adding you to a task iydm
[21:44] <inode0> not lacking at all - but most ambassadors did not participate
[21:44] <rislam> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:RashadulIslam
[21:44] <iWolf> ke4qqq: sounds good, I just want to be sure we have
the materials to provide when we have excited ambassadors ready to
[21:45] <inode0> perhaps they live in the sticks, so organizing one is
[21:45] <iWolf> inode0: could we have done better?
[21:45] <iWolf> inode0: good point! :)
[21:45] <rislam> correction pls : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RashadulIslam
[21:45] <inode0> I'm trying to find a way more can participate in that
celebration without having to throw a party is all
[21:45] <ke4qqq> yeah - it's a phased approach, but we have to start somewhere.
[21:45] <herlo> rislam: k, I'll add you now, if you don't want it,
feel free to remove it
[21:46] <rislam> its my pleasure, u go ahead
[21:46] <Karlie> Maybe theres' too much emphisis on release - what
about Fedora every day?
[21:46] <rislam> i love this idea Karlie
[21:46] <herlo> Karlie: I like that too, but I think we could start
with releases and work are way to every day?
[21:46] <rislam> i talk with everyone about Fedora
[21:47] <herlo> NA Ambassadors can't take everything on at once IMO
[21:47] <Karlie> Sure. Let's just not box anyone into a set criteria
to help, let it expand
[21:47] <inode0> agreed, let's start by getting them to talk about
Fedora one day, then we move to the next day :)
[21:47] <gregdek> herlo: +1. :)
[21:47] <iWolf> herlo: +1
[21:47] <herlo> Ambassadors Toolkit is the new thing for us...
[21:47] <ke4qqq> yeah we have to ramp up - contacting everyone we can do -
[21:47] <gregdek> It doesn't hurt to have a long list of tasks, but
it's important to block and tackle. Engage one set of work at a time.
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[21:48] <herlo> its something we can give out every release, LiveCDs
(50 or so) and some simple flyers or something to give away
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[21:48] * herlo points to the task list, its on there now too...
[21:48] <rislam> it should be officially done by steering committee
[21:48] <herlo> we really should think about making sure that
Ambassadors have the simple tools to share the Fedora Message...
[21:48] <Karlie> Just that if someone misses an opportunity to party
for a release, shouldn't stop them from going forward
[21:49] <inode0> arming ambassadors with nice media each release is good
[21:49] <herlo> Karlie: agreed, if they have a Toolkit, they should
have everything they need to talk to anyone any day...
[21:49] <ke4qqq> no, and we should supply every ambassador who asks
for a minimum kit of media plus ??
[21:50] * herlo thinks there could be literature about fedora's
features and other cool projects fedora is involved. however, I think
that's a step two.
[21:50] <ke4qqq> make that part of the 'mentoring'.
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[21:50] <herlo> Sounds like we need to discuss the toolkit with
FAMSco? I think I saw that somewhere, rislam ?
[21:50] <gregdek> herlo: that's what the messaging index exists for.
[21:50] <herlo> gregdek: point me...
[21:50] * herlo knows nothing of this messaging index of which you speak.
[21:51] <inode0> by toolkit do you mean the eventbox or whatever it was called?
[21:51] <herlo> right
[21:51] <iWolf> i think toolkit would be for each individual ambassador.
[21:51] <inode0> ok, most ambassadors don't quite need all that
[21:51] <herlo> simple though, just has CDs and maybe some other simple swag
[21:51] <rislam> i meant not toolkit but about the expense
[21:51] <iWolf> event box is for an ambassador attending an event to
provide a booth in a box.
[21:51] <herlo> giveaways, mostly
[21:51] <ke4qqq> iWolf: yeah - simple - just CDs maybe stickers.....
[21:51] <herlo> rislam: right, that's why I asked
[21:51] <ke4qqq> we might get a regional sign or something
[21:51] <gregdek> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/MarketingPlan
[21:51] <herlo> ke4qqq: ooh, stickers :)
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[21:52] <inode0> sure, ambassadors being armed with stuff is good
[21:52] <rislam> thank u herlo to mention abt the stickers
[21:52] <herlo> rislam: it was ke4qqq, but okay
[21:52] * inode0 is arranging a boatload of buttons to share
[21:52] <ke4qqq> ok - barring any opposition - lets move on - we are
52 minutes in....
[21:52] <herlo> yep, and I have another meeting starting in about 20-30 minuts
[21:52] <Karlie> Tool kit = how to get going. Event box = swag etc
[21:52] <iWolf> ke4qqq: +1
[21:53] <ke4qqq> Karlie: +1
[21:53] <herlo> Karlie: hmm, okay, I can go for that
[21:53] <herlo> +1
[21:53] <VileGent> +1
[21:53] <rislam> +1
[21:53] <herlo> moving on
[21:53] <ke4qqq> CD handling
[21:53] <herlo> right
[21:53] <ke4qqq> iWolf: we want to let Karlie and Co. handle
distribution and mfg of all NA media
[21:54] <ke4qqq> we'd like to have FAMSCo pay her directly
[21:54] <herlo> ke4qqq: when did we say we wanted that to start? F11?
[21:54] <ke4qqq> we'd like to have it so that individual ambassadors.
[21:54] <ke4qqq> I thought F10?
[21:54] <herlo> okay, that's fine, can't recall. F10 it is
[21:54] <ke4qqq> but I am worried about lead time - we have ~3 months left.
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[21:54] <Karlie> that's not a problem
[21:54] <iWolf> so far CD ordering has been one of those blackboxes,
famsco sets money aside and then rh guys do it.
[21:54] <Karlie> we could do it in a month
[21:55] <herlo> iWolf: we want to change that!
[21:55] <ke4qqq> iWolf: I know - and that makes us go around FAMSCo to
RH - which is a loser.
[21:55] <ke4qqq> not that we don't like RH - but it undermines the
community and the organization
[21:55] <herlo> we shouldnt have to rely on max and greg every time we
[21:55] <iWolf> herlo: :) , sorry, that was meant to say, there are
more folks than just me that need to work that change through, not
that it can't be done.
[21:55] <ke4qqq> iWolf: you're the only FAMSCo member who showed up
[21:55] <herlo> iWolf: Oh I know, we had this discussion last week
[21:55] * iWolf hides :-)
[21:56] <herlo> lol
[21:56] <ke4qqq> I think gregdek and others agree in principle and I
think we got some buyin from stickster
[21:56] <iWolf> I can bring this up on the famsco list, Max is on that
as well, so we can see what the options are.
[21:56] <ke4qqq> TASK for iWolf! lol
[21:56] <herlo> I think from what gregdek said last week, its possible
and probably even likely to happen. Timing is the biger thing I
[21:56] <iWolf> yep, I'll take it.
[21:57] <herlo> iWolf: I can put it on the list if you like...
[21:57] <rislam> we should thank him in advance for tht
[21:57] <iWolf> herlo: if you could, that would be great.
[21:57] <herlo> np
[21:57] <ke4qqq> Karlie and Todd sent a punchlist of what they need:
I'll forward it to you iWolf
[21:57] <iWolf> ke4qqq: sounds good.
[21:57] <iWolf> Karlie: so you would ship to the individual ambassador?
[21:57] * gregdek has been afk, reads back up...
[21:57] <Karlie> yes
[21:58] <Karlie> we can do individual orders as needed for events etc
[21:58] <herlo> Karlie: what's your company name again?
[21:58] <ke4qqq> thats what they do for a living - so I imagine they
can do it better than we can.
[21:58] <rislam> i have to leave all
[21:58] <Karlie> webpath Technologies and On-disk.com
[21:58] <herlo> rislam: thanks for taking Canada
[21:58] * herlo says bye
[21:58] <ke4qqq> and it also makes it low additional work for us.
[21:58] <ke4qqq> tnx rislam
[21:58] <iWolf> do we know pricing for the media already?
[21:59] <rislam> thank u, its an amazing experienc while with Fedora
and its community: its wide
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[21:59] <Karlie> We're offering 50% off our list price for any qty for
[21:59] <Karlie> $2 per CD $2.50 per DVD
[21:59] <Karlie> vs 3.99 and 4.99
[22:00] <iWolf> Karlie: cool, thanks for the info.
[22:00] <Karlie> np
[22:00] <inode0> not to be a troublemaker but is there a policy for
source CD/DVDs with orders?
[22:00] <herlo> inode0: how do you mean?
[22:00] <iWolf> inode0: we need to have the ability to provide source
media at an event.
[22:01] <Karlie> the way we work is that source has to be available somewhere
[22:01] <inode0> that is what I meant herlo
[22:01] <iWolf> inode0: you can either burn it on demand or make a few
before an event.
[22:01] <Karlie> if it's on a mirror that's available.
[22:01] <gregdek> iWolf: offer it burn on demand.
[22:01] <gregdek> inode0: offer it burn on demand.
[22:01] <herlo> +1
[22:01] <ke4qqq> so we have tasked that item to iWolf ready to move on?
[22:01] <herlo> yep
[22:01] <iWolf> gregdek: yeah, I usually have a few on hand and then
the isos ready to burn more, but i like to be prepared.
[22:01] <inode0> well, if Karlie sends me 100 LiveCDs there is a known
source source for me to burn that collection from?
[22:01] <iWolf> ke4qqq: +1
[22:02] <gregdek> Moving on?
[22:02] <gregdek> What's next?
[22:02] * gregdek has lost track.
[22:02] <ke4qqq> budget post F10
[22:02] <VileGent> inode0, yep its call ther source repo
[22:02] <herlo> swag
[22:02] <ke4qqq> yep
[22:02] <herlo> what ke4qqq said
[22:02] <ke4qqq> swag and budget post f10
[22:02] <inode0> VileGent: uh, changes over time
[22:02] <VileGent> no it doesnt
[22:03] <herlo> we'd like to separate the CD/DVD burning budget out
from the rest of the swag IIRC
[22:03] <ke4qqq> eventually we want to take it over - much like EMEA
- we want to get people in Fedora bathrobes lol...
[22:03] <inode0> ok
[22:03] <herlo> yay, fedora bathrobes
[22:03] <ke4qqq> and yes spread it out
[22:03] <ke4qqq> though we toyed with the Fedora Toga idea
[22:03] * inode0 doesn't wear togas
[22:04] * herlo would if it had a Fedora logo on it :)
[22:04] <ke4qqq> so long term we need to find a vendor(s) and how to
handle swag distribution so we can have nicer swag and not depend on
RH (read: max and greg) to ship us stuff.
[22:05] <iWolf> we have a vendor here in ohio that has made some
excellent quality t-shirts and made the polos for us.
[22:05] <herlo> one thing I think this implies is that we have a
budget for this separate and in a more long term way from the media
[22:05] <iWolf> we could certainly have more than one vendor if needed though.
[22:05] <ke4qqq> and probably not one-off.
[22:05] <ke4qqq> iWolf: that complicates management though.
[22:05] <inode0> distribution is always the thornier part of this
[22:05] <herlo> iWolf: it seems to be that we could have one vendor,
but if need be we could increase in time
[22:05] <ke4qqq> Amb. A. need 5 shirts from place 1, and 50 stickers
from place b?
[22:06] <herlo> that's where regional ambassadors come in. Which is
why my argument will be that they don't go away, just cover less and
less area ove rtime
[22:06] <ke4qqq> but I think we will really need to prove ourselves to
get that - so it's longer term and we really just want to get the idea
[22:06] <iWolf> ke4qqq: this is where it gets tricky. 5 shirts costs
more per shirt than 100 shirts.
[22:06] <iWolf> ke4qqq: so, we need a way to address that issue, plus
the distribution cost.
[22:06] <herlo> iWolf: right, which means we need some central points
[22:06] <ke4qqq> yep - which is why we'll probably have regional orr
[22:07] * herlo agrees +1
[22:07] <ke4qqq> but again we just want to 'stake our claim' a bit
ahead of time - we couldn't handle it today if we had to.
[22:07] <iWolf> state is apt to lead to high production costs, lower
distribution costs. I am thinking regional will be the sweet spot.
[22:07] <ke4qqq> iWolf: probably so
[22:08] <herlo> iWolf: agreed
[22:08] <ke4qqq> moving on:
[22:09] <inode0> what we need is a good request system - so we can
order when we have sufficient demand
[22:09] <ke4qqq> inode0: yep
[22:09] <iWolf> inode0: that falls under the Fedora Store SIG to a
degree. It has a user facet and an ambassador facet for bulk orders.
[22:09] <inode0> perfect
[22:09] * iWolf notes the Fedora Store SIG needs more interested
volunteers hint, hint
[22:10] <iWolf> :)
[22:10] <ke4qqq> we need a slide deck - anyone want to volunteer to
build one that illustrates the 4 Fs and the cool features of F9? or
do we farm it out to Marketing?
[22:10] <gregdek> iWolf: does it seem to you like that work could be
subsumed under this sig?
[22:10] <gregdek> iWolf: since isn't that a NA store out of necessity,
[22:11] <iWolf> gregdek: i don't think I understand the question?
[22:11] <iWolf> this sig = Store?
[22:11] <gregdek> iWolf: the store seems like it's a NA thing.
[22:11] <gregdek> this sig = na ambassadors
[22:11] <iWolf> gregdek: it isn't supposed to be, the store is
supposed to be a global thing.
[22:11] <gregdek> ok.
[22:11] <iWolf> though starting small, with chances to expand to cover
as much area as possible.
[22:12] <Karlie> sorry all, I have to go
[22:12] <ke4qqq> np, thanks for attending Karlie
[22:12] <iWolf> Karlie: g'night
[22:12] <ke4qqq> guys we are 61 minutes in - ready to move on?
[22:13] <Karlie> :-*
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[22:13] <herlo> thanks kanarip
[22:13] <herlo> karlie
[22:13] <iWolf> ke4qqq: +1
[22:13] <herlo> oops, she left
[22:13] <VileGent> *move on
[22:13] <ke4qqq> So next item : we need a slide deck - anyone want to
volunteer to build one that illustrates the 4 Fs and the cool features
of F9? or do we farm it out to Marketing?
[22:13] <gregdek> Silence.
[22:13] * iWolf doesn't have the skills
[22:14] <ke4qqq> going once .....
[22:14] <ke4qqq> twice.....
[22:14] <VileGent> ask marketing if they could help and get their answer
[22:14] <gregdek> +1
[22:14] <ke4qqq> threee times......
[22:14] * herlo votes for marketing
[22:14] <iWolf> VileGent: +1
[22:14] <ke4qqq> guess we'll grovel at marketings feet
[22:14] <lcafiero> marketing (no skills either)
[22:14] <herlo> I think all ambassadors could use this
[22:14] <iWolf> herlo: +1 we really need something like this
[22:14] <inode0> marketing can at least bullet point the marketing
bits I would think
[22:14] <ke4qqq> next item: FAMSCo liason and relationship?
[22:15] * herlo points to iWolf
[22:15] <herlo> and move son
[22:15] <ke4qqq> thats done next item :)
[22:15] <iWolf> just one thing...
[22:15] <ke4qqq> ok....what one thing
[22:15] <iWolf> last meeting it seemed like folks were down on famsco,
seriously if anyone needs something or thinks we should be doing
something different, more visible, etc. - just let me know.
[22:16] <gregdek> iWolf: it's a question of ignorance.
[22:16] <iWolf> we really are here to help. we want to be enablers
for people and help you get things done.
[22:16] <ke4qqq> that and we have been back channeling things so long
we assume nothing is going on.
[22:16] <gregdek> People assume that FAMSCO "calls all the shots",
when really it's a service group that works primarily on funding
[22:16] <iWolf> yeah, we work on budget and a few other things,
promote release parties, etc, but its the ambassadors that do the real
[22:17] <iWolf> that's all I have to say, I just want you guys to know
you can come to me if you need or want more famsco involvement or feel
we are falling short somewhere.
[22:17] <ke4qqq> it's yet another place where we assume (Like RH) that
they are in charge and we have let ourselves drift.
[22:18] <ke4qqq> we'll change that - we'll take ownership of the work.
[22:18] * gregdek applauds!
[22:18] <ke4qqq> we'll obviously need the pull from FAMSCo though
[22:18] <ke4qqq> to fund and lend credence to our efforts
[22:18] <iWolf> your efforts are very much appreciated, you've all
been doing great work at revitalizing the NA efforts.
[22:18] <ke4qqq> regardless of whether they are in charge or not, they
appear to others to be.
[22:18] <gregdek> OK, I'm being booted out.
[22:18] <ke4qqq> because after all they are the steering committee
[22:18] * VileGent move on
[22:19] <gregdek> And I'm starving, so I'm going to find food.
[22:19] <inode0> I have a question I don't know where it fits in
exactly - if FAMSCo promotes those events would FAMSCo be the contact
about promoting or c-co-co-sponsoring other ambassador events?
[22:19] <ke4qqq> thanks for coming gregdek
[22:19] <iWolf> gregdek: g'night
[22:19] <gregdek> Carry on without me, and be sure to keep that task
list fat. ;)
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[22:19] <herlo> gregdek: tx
[22:19] <iWolf> inode0: events that need money at this moment would
come through famsco.
[22:19] <iWolf> inode0: if an ambassador just needs ideas or help with
an event they can come to famsco.
[22:20] <ke4qqq> inode0: but really we want to be the ideas and help
people not FAMSCo (I think)
[22:20] <iWolf> inode0: though, now that you guys are running, we
would likely just faciliate getting an NA ambassador in touch with the
regional ambassador for mentoring.
[22:20] <iWolf> ke4qqq: +1
[22:20] <ke4qqq> I don't want to 'task' FAMSCo (guys who are mostly in
EMEA) with telling us how to run an event
[22:20] <ke4qqq> though we could certainly sit at their feet and learn plenty.
[22:20] * inode0 doesn't feel at all entitled to lend Fedora's name to an event
[22:21] <ke4qqq> *waves a sword over inode0's shoulders
[22:21] <iWolf> inode0: do you have a specific example? I think you
probably have more "power" than you realize.
[22:22] <ke4qqq> consider yourself ominus dominus-ed.
[22:22] <inode0> ok, suppose I want to work with a local safe house to
help them help who they already help better
[22:22] <ke4qqq> stuff Fedora stickers all over the equipment -
install Fedora- blog it and claim a great victory for Fedora. Sound
[22:23] <ke4qqq> or do you want more?
[22:23] <inode0> assuming I plan to involve Fedora in this project
anyway I'd like to do it in a big way where both groups benefit
[22:23] <iWolf> inode0: yeah, i'm with ke4qqq thoughts, sounds like a
win for both parties.
[22:23] <inode0> I don't want anything but Fedora's name really, and
some marketing if Fedora wanted that back
[22:24] <ke4qqq> we want that back - and Fedora logos visible in the
pictures you post.
[22:24] <herlo> sorry, another meeting started for me just now. I'm still here
[22:24] <ke4qqq> maybe a warm fuzzy pic of a user.
[22:24] <ke4qqq> using Fedora
[22:24] <inode0> Can I tell the local charity that the Fedora Project
+ the XYZ LUG would like to help them?
[22:24] <inode0> That is where I get uncomfortable free-wheeling
[22:25] <ke4qqq> inode0: are you or another ambassador going to do the
work?? if so sounds good to me.
[22:25] <ke4qqq> you are the Fedora Project -you are the public
face.....if you do it. or am I out of line iWolf?
[22:25] <lcafiero> Question: Is this the place to mention projects, or
is it another venue?
[22:25] <iWolf> ke4qqq: I don't think you are out of line.
[22:25] <inode0> OK, I'll get over it
[22:26] <ke4qqq> lcafiero: define projects
[22:26] * iWolf only has a few more minutes before my wife drags me away...
[22:26] * VileGent battleaxe said bedtime 10 minutes ago
[22:26] <ke4qqq> lets move on then we have already discussed that we
are going to do mentoring. I'll task myself to write up some ideas
[22:26] <ke4qqq> polo shirts?
[22:26] <ke4qqq> update
[22:27] <inode0> delivered to me anyway
[22:27] <iWolf> ke4qqq: i received mine, its great.
[22:27] <inode0> yes, great
[22:27] <iWolf> ke4qqq: i blogged about it with a pic.
[22:27] <ke4qqq> someone was providing an update and it wasn't me.
[22:27] <VileGent> how do we order them
[22:27] <inode0> pcalarco
[22:27] <inode0> no present though
[22:27] <inode0> not
[22:27] <iWolf> blog post:
[22:27] <ke4qqq> ok so we've received them. VileGent contact pcalarco to order.
[22:28] <ke4qqq> AOB?
[22:28] <ke4qqq> 5....
[22:28] <ke4qqq> 4....
[22:28] <VileGent> AOB??
[22:28] <ke4qqq> 3....
[22:28] <ke4qqq> Any Other Business?
[22:28] <VileGent> events?
[22:28] <ke4qqq> Are there any for NA in the next little while?
[22:28] <vwbusguy> just wondering if Indianapolis was a possible place
to have stuff?
[22:28] <lcafiero> We're still in the midst of Lindependence 2008 in
[22:28] <ke4qqq> I know OLF is a couple months out.
[22:29] <lcafiero> As far as events go.
[22:29] <ke4qqq> cool lcafiero: tell us what's going on
there.....anything we can help with.
[22:29] <iWolf> i think LinuxWorld which Jack is doing.
[22:29] <iWolf> and herlo has the Utah gig.
[22:29] <ke4qqq> vwbusguy: what do you need in In?
[22:29] <ke4qqq> OSCON
[22:29] <iWolf> ke4qqq: oh yeah! that too!
[22:30] <lcafiero> http://www.lindependence.net -- Briefly, it's
converting a town to GNU/Linux.
[22:30] <ke4qqq> some reason that didn't hit the agenda.....
[22:30] <iWolf> I have to head out. Thanks again for al the work, I
will catch up from the logs.
[22:30] <ke4qqq> thanks iWolf
[22:31] <vwbusguy> ke4qqq, just wondering if I could help represent
Fedora locally in Indy
[22:31] <ke4qqq> anything we can do to help you at Lindepence.
[22:31] <herlo> sorry guys...
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[22:32] <inode0> vwbusguy: sure!
[22:32] <ke4qqq> vwbusguy: absolutely! lugs around? run an install
fest, show off what is new and cool in F9.....etc.
[22:32] <lcafiero> the Cabrillo College GNU/Linux Users Group has been
copying F9 disks for the event, and there's only one more
meeting/installfest on 7/26
[22:32] <ke4qqq> vwbusguy: inode0 is your regional ambassador he can
work to get you some swag and stuff.
[22:32] <inode0> jlgaddis is nearby
[22:33] <ke4qqq> lcafiero: are there enough - cna we send you some
[22:33] <vwbusguy> sweet, inode0 I'll get with you after the meeting
[22:33] <lcafiero> So I think we're fine. Unfortunately, I'm the
organizer of the event and I can't spend as much time at the table as
[22:33] <lcafiero> The Cabrillo College GLUG is handling it, though.
They're big on F9
[22:33] <vwbusguy> just thought I'd pitch Indy for a fest location, it
is central to a lot of other big cities: Chicago, Louisville,
Cincinnati, Dayton, Detroit.
[22:33] <ke4qqq> are there any other ambassadors close by?? do we need
to find out and see if we can get you some warm bodies?
[22:34] <ke4qqq> staff the table a bit.
[22:34] <inode0> vwbusguy: go for FUDcon ... we need that off the east
coast one time :)
[22:35] <vwbusguy> inode0, that would be great!
[22:35] <ke4qqq> lcafiero: I'll see if I can get herlo to poke him.
[22:36] * VileGent is trying to get a fudcon to like columbus ohio
[22:36] <lcafiero> As far as bodies and Felton, California, I think
there are two ambassadors other than me.
[22:37] <lcafiero> Karsten Wade and someone in Monterey whose name I don;t know
[22:37] <ke4qqq> anyone else running an event or need help with one??
or want something to do?
[22:37] <herlo> ke4qqq: I can do that, where is Cabrillo college?
[22:37] <lcafiero> I'm also available to help with events anywhere in
California, Western Nevada or Southern Oregon -- if I can drive there
in a day, I'm there.
[22:37] <VileGent> nn
[22:37] <ke4qqq> Felton
[22:38] <ke4qqq> no one on the east coast??
[22:38] <ke4qqq> no other events we are running?
[22:38] <lcafiero> Cabrillo is in Aptos. Felton is in the Santa Cruz Mountains.
[22:38] * VileGent not till oct-november
[22:40] * VileGent will push for an installfest release party if f10
comes out early part of nov
[22:40] <ke4qqq> ok......well we have a ton of tasks. I'll post the
meeting log on the wiki and mailing list. if no one has any other
[22:40] <VileGent> nite
[22:40] <lcafiero> None. Thanks.
[22:41] <ke4qqq> none heard, thanks everyone for showing up!
[22:41] * ke4qqq bangs gavel and closes meeting.
[22:41] <VileGent> ke4qqq, expect to be hearing from you soon