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From: Anand , VNIT-Nagpur <anand_matti(a)cse.vnit.ac.in>
Date: Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Subject: Fedora repository at VNIT..
To: susmit shannigrahi <thinklinux.ssh(a)gmail.com>
How's it going? How was the other event at Kolkata?
Thanks for informing. I have already joined the group. I am starting the
work on Fedora repository at our college. Wanted your help in that. Can
you summarize how to go about it. We want it to be intracollege repository
since keeping it open will increase the burden on servers here. So it
would be great help if can provide help in it.
thanks and regards,
So, this is the follow up of our AXIS'08 excursion.
The group is new, (only a week, operational for a couple of days) so
don't expect much content over there.
We are actively participating there.
Please join them if you have some spare time as they are totally new
and need a bit guidance.
I hope to get a couple of active ambassadors in a couple of week or so.
This is the last call for Release Events Owners to post their own
budget preview in order to be qualified to get some resources.
Actually I see only 2 budget preview in Fedora Ambassadors List.
If you have sent something directly to FAmSCo, please resend it in
Ambassadors List and, optionally, to me.
If you have added your preview in the details on your Release Event
wiki page, please let me know.
Thank you for your precious collaboration and for your work
I need to organize Event in Serbia for fedora, and i ask for a help.
Can you please be able to help me?
> I'm sure you'll find useful the chapter "Organize the participation at
> an event": this is a easy, well written, scheme that summarize the
> core step in order to organize an event.
- I am find out that is large interest about Fedora Event in Serbia,
and i am yet finished that steps.
If is that OK what can i do more?
It will be in Vrsac, place of Red Hat Regional Centre For Support,
Research and Development in Serbia.
Probable can i have some support from them to? :-)
Please, i truly need a support.
2008/9/19 Francesco Ugolini <fugolini(a)fedoraproject.org>:
> 2008/9/19 Ferenc Pravda <pravda013(a)gmail.com>:
>> I am novice in Fedora Ambassadors, and glad to become a member of
>> Fedora Ambassadors Group.
>> Just recently subscribed to the Ambassadors mailing list.
> Welcome on board!
>> My plans:
>> I wish to become active in Ambassadors, because of that i join to the
>> Ambassadors Group with large plans for Fedora Project in Serbia
>> (Fedora Freemedia, Events, user support...etc) in appetite. In Serbia
>> is a little number of Fedora users under 200 users, my plan is to
>> enlarge Fedora community in Serbia soon trought FreeMedia, Local
>> Marketing, Serbian Forums, Blogs...etc
>> Therefore i wish to recruit additional users and trainee to enlarge community.
> That's the way to contribute. If you need help feel free to ask here too.
>> I have plan to join an Fedora Event (OpenExpo 2008 Zurich, but it is
>> impossible to me.
>> For the time being, i will be present at Fedora Events in Serbia.
>> Maybe i will organize some Event in my city, and some othere city with
>> your support. (introduction in Fedora 10, or else)?!
> Yes. It could be a nice way to start.
> I hope this link could help you organizing it:
> - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/Organization (actually
> only in English, we hope to offer translations soon)
> I'm sure you'll find useful the chapter "Organize the participation at
> an event": this is a easy, well written, scheme that summarize the
> core step in order to organize an event.
> Tell me if you have other questions and concerns.
> Hoping to be helpful
> Francesco Ugolini
> P.S. I will be absent from Sunday 21st to Sunday 28th
inode0 was roped into leading the meeting.
* Jon Stanley introduced us to the madness of bug triaging. We went over
the process involved in joining the group, how to get started once the
formalities are finished, how to find bugs to triage, identify low hanging
bugs that beginners can process, where to get help on more advanced issues
or just get some feedback that what you've done is correct.
inode0 volunteered to be an example of a new bug triager and went through
the process live during the meeting - triaging his first bug. Several of
the ambassadors are going to triage some bugs this week and join the weekly
triage meeting next week to report about our experience and have further
* Ohio LinuxFest Report
Several ambassadors reported on their impressions of OLF. Everyone was
very pleased with event and especially with the buzz of constant activity
at the Fedora booth. The first NA event box was in use and on display.
In addition to the generous contribution of 4 XO laptops from OLPC it
now looks like we have a commitment from HP to provide us with 4 2133
netbooks to also travel around the continent in our event boxes and be used
at Fedora booths everywhere. Thanks OLPC and HP for your support.
* Fedora Ambassador Day NA
Several ambassadors also reported on the first FADNA event held mostly the
day following OLF. I'm sure those of us lucky enough to attend this will
look back fondly in years to come recalling it as a seminal moment in the
NA ambassador program. We would encourage all to read the many blogs that
have already hit the planet and this mailing list concerning details of
the event. A collection of notes from the meetings is also available at
* Miscellaneous other business was discussed and the meeting adjourned.
I would again like to thank all the participants, especially the new
ambassadors joining us for the first time tonight and our guest speaker
HTML version of the log is here:
Raw log is here:
<fabian_a> Let's have Fedora Ambassadors Meeting EMEA. it's time
<fabian_a> Roll call, please
<cwickert> Christoph Wickert
<moixs> Steven Moix
<wonderer1> Henrik Heigl
<heffer> Felix Kaechele
<fabian_a> Fabian Affolter
<cassmodiah> Simon Wesp
<spevack> wonderer1: did you get those tshirts from fabian_a ?
<spevack> wonderer1: sorry i couldn't send them out myself
<wonderer1> spevack: not right now, but he said its on the way. thx.
<wonderer1> spevack: np. CDs are allready here ;-)
<fabian_a> wonderer01: the package was delivered to Gerold last wednesday
<fabian_a> Just a reminder. We'll still follow our meeting protocol to
make this meeting quick and efficient.
<fabian_a> Now, please open our meeting page at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-10-15 for the
<fabian_a> Report current status of FAmSCo
<fabian_a> fugolini: ping
<fabian_a> so, we skip this if spevack have no objections
<spevack> normally i would jump in with an update from famsco myself
<spevack> but i have been traveling the last week and a half (in
Raleigh), so I missed the meeting and I'm a little bit behind.
<spevack> but i know the F10 release parties are being finalized
<spevack> and budget is also moving along
<spevack> I do have one request for everyone
<spevack> If you have had an event this quarter (since September 1) and
not gotten me your requests for reimbursement yet, please do so this
week. I want to try to get everything up to date with the budget.
<fabian_a> i will keep that in mind
<fabian_a> Current status of Fedora Events (passed & upcoming), passed first
<fabian_a> about OpenExpo, please visit
for the collection
<spevack> i was at OpenExpo with Fabian
* spevack looks for his blog post
<jenskuehnel> !! Sorry I'm late! (JensKuehnel)
<spevack> It was a good event from the perspective of seeing several
community members -- we had some good discussions, and pre-meeting for
FAD topics (like LinuxTag)
<spevack> I think everyone would have liked to see more traffic overall
<spevack> yesterday I spoke to 30 university students in The Hague
<spevack> and that went really well
<spevack> i think we will get a few new contributors, I hope.
<spevack> tomorrow I am going to Athens, and I will be there until
Saturday. Athens Digital Week invited me to give a keynote speech,
which is on Friday
<spevack> I will see Dimitris Glezos as well.
<spevack> and i will see the Parthenon :)
<moixs> Nothing really fancy, but I gave a Fedora presentation in my
university of applied sciences (HEIG-VD, part of the HES-SO)
<moixs> It was done instead of an Ubuntu one, and around 20 people got
to install Fedora
<moixs> Note: they are still using RedHat 9 in the IT labs
<fabian_a> moixs: thanks
<fabian_a> if there is nothing else about past events in EMEA, let's
move on to the upcoming events
<wonderer1> Only small announcement: next weekend, 18th Oct. is the
Linuxinfotag in Landau, germany. I'll be there with a little booth and
<wonderer1> if anybody wants to attend, come in :)
<wonderer1> its also linked on the upcoming wiki page.
<fabian_a> wonderer1: thanks
<fabian_a> so far we have still no confirmation about LinuxDay in
Austria. I'm working on this and I hope to fix it soon
<fabian_a> red_alert sent some details about the FAD EMEA to all attendees
<fabian_a> anything else about any upcoming event?
<cwickert> we have "I-Party" this weekend here in Münster, a linux
install party with different distributions.
<cwickert> I wonder if any of the german ambassadors can borrow me an
XO, because last year we had huge interest in it
<cwickert> not much more to say: I don't need a budget, I don't need
posters, I have everything I need
<spevack> Just wanted to remind folks again how important it is to make
sure your FAD EMEA details are all in on the wiki.
<fabian_a> Karl_le_Rouge, then jenskuehnel
<Karl_le_Rouge> 17-18th Oct, this is JDLL (Free Software Days) in Lyon
(France), Fedora will be represented by 2 ambassadors (Benoît Marcellin
and myself) and some local users folks
<Karl_le_Rouge> we will have also a booth eof
<iranzo> Hi, I'm Pablo Iranzo, from Spain (sorry for the late start but
was at dinner)
<iranzo> we're planning to get an official mirror at university with
<iranzo> they actually use it for internal deployment and after recent
rains is not available, but plan to have it ready in order to coordinate
it with a LUG presentation about F10 features)
<iranzo> will post on list when everything is ready, both at lug and
<fabian_a> iranzo: thanks
<wonderer1> I have asked Famsco about Budget for the systems2008 in
munic (spevack), so I get no last-response (I know it was late and
expensive) can I assume, that there will be no budget for this year?
<wonderer1> then I can move on with other projects and can better plan
it for next year in detail...
<wonderer1> maybe max has new infos.
<spevack> i'm afraid there's just no budget for it, i'm sorry henrik.
<wonderer1> Ok, np. I only want to be shure.
<wonderer1> maybe next year :)
<fabian_a> before we open up the floor, just one thing
<fabian_a> ambassadors poloshirt...
* wonderer1 hopes that there will be available soon ;-)
<fabian_a> please add yourself to this list if you want one because we
have to order soon.
<fabian_a> now, the stage is open
<fabian_a> there was a entry about moving the meeting time
<fabian_a> cassmodiah: ping
<cassmodiah> fabian_a jea?
<jenskuehnel> Has anyone who asked for a XO recieved one?
<wonderer1> jenskuehnel: yes, cwickert.
<cwickert> wonderer1: no, jens means something different
<wonderer1> ok, sorry.
<jenskuehnel> From the last round, I got my deny about 3-5 days ago.
<jenskuehnel> I was talking about test fedora10 on it.
<jenskuehnel> Thanks fabian_a that exactly
<fabian_a> heffer, then iranzo
<iranzo> jenskuehnel, not me, but got two persons confirming being
included, one at EMEA one in the States
<heffer> just wanted to not that a deadline should be added to the polo
<iranzo> sorry, was answer for jenskuehnel two lines up. eof
<fabian_a> heffer: i'm in contact with kital about the shirt, he will
place the oder
* gregdek is still fighting to get shipping info.
<spevack> gregdek: do you want me to get you a fedora polo shirt?
<wonderer1> I saw on the FAD EMEA page some things are not clear. Maybe
red can later finish some things in detail, but maybe some folks can
complete things. Just remind to look at the page.
<gregdek> spevack: I'm good, dude. The wife won't let me have any more
<fabian_a> cassmodiah: about moving the meeting time for future meetings
from UTC 20:00 to UTC 19:00
<fabian_a> cassmodiah: go ahead
<cassmodiah> i'm working from 4:00 to 13:00 (UTC +2) i have to stand up
at 3:00. Meeting Time 22:00 (UTC +2) is a little problem for me. it
would be a little bit better for me if we can move it without problems
to 21:00 (UTC +2)... If there is a problem i will learn to life with it :-)
* spevack will come to the meeting at any time
<fabian_a> the daylight saving will switch soon, but i personally think
to go on with 22.00
<cwickert> according to
channel is already occupied by the docs meeting at 19:00 utc
<cassmodiah> oh, sorry, i don't saw this. sorry...
<wonderer1> Only two small things: I saw at
http://alejandroacosta.com/eventos these "plates" wich goes to all guys
there. Maybe thats an idea for FAD Meetings (not for this year, but next
year or so).
* moixs has an exam tomorrow, going to bed
<wonderer1> If somebody think that could be a good idea, please tell me
and I look who we can buidl such things and what this can/will cost,
maybe as "Free as free beer" thingy.
<wonderer1> I just build some themes/wallpapers for my Blackberry for
Events. If also somebody was interrested in one please tell me. thanks.
<fabian_a> Any more questions, remarks, or open issues before we close
<fabian_a> Fedora Ambassadors Meeting EMEA 2008-10-15 has been
adjourned. Next meeting in November 2008.
Fingerprint: 2F6C 930F D3C4 7E38 6AFA 4EB4 E23C D2DD 36A4 397F
Fedora always leads and never follows.
I am not sure about the usage rights part.
GPG key: FAF1751E
From: "Satish Eerpini" <eerpini(a)gmail.com>
Subj: [Ambassadors] Fedora Logo : with DVDs
Date: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:03 pm
Size: 708 bytes
Well this might be the height of how crazy i can get about Fedora ,
... but here is something i tried out , .... i laid down all the
Linux Distro DVDs i had onto my bed in the shape of the Fedora Logo
........ and took a snapshot of that ,..... it looks great ( atleast
to my eyes ) , ......
The image is here http://satish.playdrupal.com/?q=node/67 .........
what i really wanted to clarify is , whether i can do such work , .. i
mean representing the LOGO this way ?? what do u say guys ?
Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list
why don't we have a long even no. release which is supported for two more
long releases + 1 month. the odd no. releases are scraped and instead of
them like opensolaris test releases which are released every two weeks
except for a month after release of 1 long release. in that month features
are planned for the next long release. a new long release will be released
after 1 yr. the numbering system of those 2 week testing release will be as
follows ;after 1 month of release 10 long it will be 11.05 , 11.1 , 11.15 as
follows 11.9 will be 12 beta , 11.95 be 12 preview and finally fedora 12
arnav kalra (linux inside)
(08:00:15 PM) inode0: opa! opa! opa!
(08:00:29 PM) pcalarco: lol
(08:00:52 PM) herlo has changed the topic to: FAmNA Meeting, starts now!
(08:01:22 PM) inode0: roll call
(08:01:26 PM) pcalarco: PascalCalarco
(08:01:33 PM) herlo: Clint Savage
(08:01:44 PM) jimi_c: James Cammarata
(08:01:46 PM) iWolf: JeffreyTadlock (though, daughter is crying, may
just be lurking)
(08:01:50 PM) ***DemonJester BrianPowell
(08:01:50 PM) ***jds2001
(08:01:55 PM) jds2001: Jon Stanley
(08:02:04 PM) ke4qqq: david nalley
(08:02:59 PM) inode0: I'd like to start by extending out thanks to
jds2001 for agreeing to speak with us about the bug triage efforts he
(08:03:23 PM) jds2001: not a problem :)
(08:03:37 PM) inode0: jds2001: Would you give us an overview now of
how folks get started zapping bugs?
(08:04:02 PM) jds2001: sure, it's a tad unstructured
(08:04:22 PM) jds2001: what basically needs to happen is get a FAS account
(08:04:30 PM) jds2001: and apply for the 'fedorabugs' group
(08:04:56 PM) ***jds2001 is a sponsor in that group, so I get mail
every time someone does that.
(08:05:06 PM) jds2001: and I go click the button.
(08:05:20 PM) jds2001: then you can start going forth.
(08:05:28 PM) jds2001: perhaps that's a tad *too* unstructured?
(08:05:40 PM) herlo: going forth doing what?
(08:05:43 PM) inode0: so I do that? how do I go forth? :)
(08:05:51 PM) jds2001: oh, we have weekly meetings at 14:00UTC on Tuesdays
(08:06:44 PM) jds2001: well we have wiki pages on how to do that
(08:07:06 PM) jds2001: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Joining
(08:07:23 PM) inode0: one of the things we would like to learn is how
to spot good triaging prospects for you
(08:07:40 PM) jds2001: hmm, that's a tough oone
(08:07:42 PM) inode0: what sort of characteristics should we look for?
(08:07:59 PM) jds2001: folks that enjoy lots of work and getting
flamed for it? :)
(08:08:27 PM) jds2001: seriously, a good triagers would have some sort
of experience (need not be a whole lot)
(08:08:37 PM) herlo: I think maybe we should ask what triaging is and
how one might get started...
(08:08:52 PM) herlo: I don't see any references as to how to do that
on the page you gave
(08:09:08 PM) jds2001: go up one level
(08:09:51 PM) jds2001: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/GettingStarted
(08:10:07 PM) jds2001: is that more what you're looking for?
(08:10:38 PM) jds2001: we have an array of pages underneath the
(08:10:57 PM) herlo: yeah, I see that
(08:11:26 PM) pcalarco: so a lot of it is trying to replicate bugs
across different hardware as part of the triaging?
(08:11:29 PM) herlo: I guess what I am after is a way to go from join
to bug triage in a short time
(08:13:04 PM) jds2001: pcalarco: that can be part of it.
(08:13:19 PM) ***vwbusguy- <- sorry for being late
(08:13:19 PM) herlo: jds2001: so I'd like you to take a moment and
actually walk us through what you'd do if someone signed up for
bugzappers and wanted to get started
(08:13:53 PM) herlo: but really didn't understand the wiki pages that
well, becuase currently, that's a lot to read and I'd like to just
have a quickstart guide
(08:13:57 PM) jds2001: sure, they make contact, I point them to the
guidelines and how to find new bugs
(08:14:31 PM) jds2001: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/FindingBugs
(08:14:42 PM) herlo: k, so let me back up a little
(08:15:18 PM) herlo: last week we asked a ton of questions of mizmo
about art, and one of them was basically to get her to layout the
process step-by-step here
(08:15:30 PM) jds2001: ok
(08:15:37 PM) jds2001: 1) sign up for a bugzilla acct
(08:15:40 PM) herlo: and so I wonder if, rather than pointing us to
the wiki, if you could kinda do that
(08:15:42 PM) jds2001: 2) sign up for a FAS acct
(08:15:54 PM) jds2001: 3) apply for the 'fedorabugs' group
(08:16:08 PM) ***lcafiero sheepishly sneaks in
(08:16:16 PM) jds2001: (note that approval there is automatic provided cla_done)
(08:16:22 PM) herlo: oh, wow
(08:16:34 PM) ***vwbusguy- didn't realize it was that easy
(08:16:59 PM) jds2001: 4) wait a bit for bugzilla to sync, and you
have the necessary access
(08:17:08 PM) herlo: 1-2 hrs then?
(08:17:27 PM) jds2001: i think the bugzilla sync happens at the top of
the hour, yeaahs
(08:18:24 PM) herlo: jds2001: so what's next?
(08:18:34 PM) jds2001: then you find a bug, and start triagaing it.
(08:18:50 PM) inode0: I have done 1-4, really
(08:19:01 PM) herlo: how does one find a bug? How do you know what
triaging is done
(08:19:03 PM) inode0: I don't know how to proceed
(08:19:04 PM) jds2001: in order to do that, you need to know that the
bug in question is well-described and is something actionable for a
(08:19:38 PM) herlo: I still don't see how I get to bugzilla from here
(08:19:47 PM) jds2001: OK, you can find a bug via RSS feed, via some
preformatted queries we have, etc
(08:19:47 PM) ***herlo is playing devils advocate
(08:20:09 PM) jds2001: yeah, come to think of it the process is
probably a little busted
(08:20:23 PM) jds2001: maybe it'a bit *too* easy and unstructured.
(08:20:34 PM) herlo: which is our goal, to help you get more people we
need to understand the *small* details
(08:20:38 PM) jds2001: but we didn't want to put tons of beuaarucatatic stuff
(08:20:52 PM) ***inode0 notes that it is a bad idea to try to paste
preformatted query example in here
(08:20:55 PM) herlo: no argument there
(08:21:06 PM) DemonJester: I wouldnt say busted there is just a lot of
assumptions after the sign up which can intimidate folks I think.
(08:21:13 PM) herlo: inode0: a screenshot?
(08:21:15 PM) jds2001: http://feeds.feedburner.com/rawhide-new-7days
(08:21:38 PM) inode0:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/FindingBugs <- links here
(08:22:41 PM) inode0: 2798 bugs found.
(08:22:43 PM) ***herlo goes back to asking the questions here and
expecting simple answers here
(08:22:53 PM) herlo: maybe I shouldn't though
(08:23:04 PM) jds2001: no, it's a valid point.
(08:23:18 PM) herlo: I don't understand the FindingBugs page
(08:23:26 PM) jds2001: how does one *find* that wiki page assuming
they haven't seen our wiki?
(08:23:43 PM) inode0: on what possible basis do I choose one? don't I
need to know something about other bugs before processing one?
(08:23:45 PM) herlo: google search :)
(08:24:08 PM) herlo: inode0: is that statement directed at me?
(08:24:21 PM) jds2001: you can conceivaably pick any of those 2798 bugs
(08:24:22 PM) inode0: jds2001 but if you can answer it I'm ok with that :)
(08:24:39 PM) herlo: k, just checking
(08:25:14 PM) jds2001: so what these queries look for is bugs in a state of NEW
(08:25:35 PM) jds2001: which supposedly (but not in practice) means
that no one has looked at them
(08:26:10 PM) ***DemonJester found that out the hard way.
(08:26:17 PM) jds2001: if there's a bug that you click on that has
the assignee looking at it, just move it to ASSIGNED and move on.
(08:26:58 PM) jds2001: and you gain the access to do that by
completing the signup steps.
(08:27:07 PM) inode0: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=463410
(08:27:09 PM) buggbot: Bug 463410: medium, medium, ---,
axel.thimm(a)atrpms.net, NEW, AVC Denial fail2ban
(08:27:14 PM) ke4qqq: except for package review stuff
(08:27:18 PM) inode0: so that would be a candidate for this?
(08:27:34 PM) jds2001: lemme look, bugzilla is slow
(08:27:47 PM) jds2001: but looking at buggbot's summary, yes
(08:28:02 PM) jds2001: it's in NEW, etc
(08:28:07 PM) ***inode0 might process his first bug tonight
(08:28:22 PM) jds2001: now this one may need to be moved to
selinux-policy-targeted if it's not already there
(08:28:44 PM) ***jds2001 still waiting for it to load
(08:29:00 PM) ***inode0 waiting to login
(08:29:03 PM) jds2001: so AVC denials go against the policy
(08:29:19 PM) jds2001: that way dwalsh can see it and do his magic :)
(08:30:08 PM) herlo: what do you mean 'against the poicy'?
(08:30:42 PM) inode0: the selinux policy
(08:30:45 PM) inode0: component
(08:31:03 PM) herlo: so you triage it to the right person or what?
(08:31:23 PM) jds2001: yep
(08:31:36 PM) jds2001: looks as though dwalsh had already looked at
this one, though
(08:31:49 PM) herlo: how do yo uknow the right person?
(08:31:57 PM) ***herlo is still waiting for bugzilla to load
(08:32:09 PM) ke4qqq: herlo you don't assign a person you assign a component
(08:32:20 PM) ke4qqq: bz automagically knows the person based on the component
(08:32:24 PM) jds2001: right
(08:32:38 PM) inode0: ok, this looks like fail2ban badness, not
selinux policy badness
(08:32:48 PM) inode0: so I think it stays here, but moves to assigned?
(08:33:29 PM) jds2001: right
(08:33:43 PM) herlo: so how do you do that, click edit or something?
(08:33:56 PM) ***herlo still ahs to login it seems
(08:33:58 PM) inode0: shall I fire?
(08:34:32 PM) ke4qqq: yes!
(08:34:33 PM) inode0: anything beyond moving to assigned to do at this point?
(08:35:10 PM) jds2001: nope
(08:35:40 PM) jds2001: soryy stepped away for a few seconds to grab a coke :)
(08:35:45 PM) inode0: should I have looked through other fail2ban and
targeted policy bugs for dup?
(08:35:58 PM) jds2001: yes.
(08:36:03 PM) ***jds2001 forgot about that
(08:36:08 PM) jds2001: there are some tools for thagt
(08:36:26 PM) jds2001: bugz.fp.o/<component> is what i use for small components
(08:36:27 PM) inode0: it is assigned anyway - missile launched
(08:36:33 PM) jds2001: in terms of number of bugs
(08:36:38 PM) jds2001: this is another thing about triage
(08:36:51 PM) jds2001: if you make a mistake, it's really not the end
of the world :)
(08:37:04 PM) jds2001: you can go undo it.
(08:37:15 PM) ke4qqq: so kinda like the wiki - triage boldly?
(08:37:41 PM) ***inode0 does happy dance and shouts opa! opa! opa!
while joining the triage team
(08:38:00 PM) jds2001: ke4qqq: exactly
(08:38:34 PM) jds2001: you can always see the history, and you can't
really do an action that can't be undone :)
(08:38:37 PM) inode0: is there any sort of review process, to help me,
uh, a new triager, gain confidence in what they are doing?
(08:38:54 PM) jds2001: sure, stop by #fedora-qa
(08:39:11 PM) jds2001: if you have questions, send them to f-t-l
(08:39:14 PM) ke4qqq: so let me ask something jds2001 - so if we want
to assign homework of triaging 10 bugs per ambassador by next
week.....can we come to you and polecat and ask questions and get that
(08:39:16 PM) inode0: and say what, will someone look at this and see
if I did it ok?
(08:40:41 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: exactly - provide a link to the bug and
what you are thinking of doing
(08:41:02 PM) ke4qqq: and people there are pretty helpful
(08:41:29 PM) jds2001: take this for example:
(08:41:33 PM) jds2001:
(08:42:54 PM) ***inode0 steps away for a minute
(08:43:00 PM) ***vwbusguy- has no idea how to be a triager.
(08:43:20 PM) jds2001: vwbusguy-: how so?
(08:43:26 PM) ke4qqq: so what of this doesn't make sense
(08:43:33 PM) ke4qqq: that's what we need to capture
(08:43:49 PM) vwbusguy-: maybe I'm just not familiar with the word 'triage'
(08:44:03 PM) jds2001: ok, that's easy
(08:44:05 PM) vwbusguy-: is that like deciding where bugs go, how
(08:44:10 PM) jds2001: yes
(08:44:12 PM) vwbusguy-: ok
(08:44:16 PM) jds2001: sort, categorize, etc
(08:44:22 PM) vwbusguy-: just a difference in terminology then
(08:44:27 PM) vwbusguy-: I'm used to in house terms for it
(08:44:34 PM) jds2001: what did you think it required?
(08:44:36 PM) vwbusguy-: (Criterion Controls Board)
(08:44:41 PM) herlo: 1) The principle or practice of prioritizing
patients in an emergency situation in which there are a great number
of injured or ill
(08:44:47 PM) herlo: that's the most common definition
(08:44:55 PM) vwbusguy-: haha
(08:45:22 PM) vwbusguy-: triage sounded like a French-based word
pertaining with something to do with three
(08:45:34 PM) jds2001: lol
(08:46:01 PM) jds2001: instead of priortizing patients, we're
prioritizing bugs. And there are a great number :)
(08:46:07 PM) herlo: vwbusguy-: menage a trois
(08:46:12 PM) herlo: that's what you are thinking of
(08:46:43 PM) jds2001: if you want to be more advanced, you can even
align bugs to blockers, etc if they'er that important
(08:48:05 PM) inode0: you sometimes have mentoring irc sessions?
(08:48:20 PM) ***vwbusguy- is getting way sleepy.
(08:48:20 PM) jds2001: occasionally during the weekly meetings.
(08:48:39 PM) jds2001: we're thinking about doing focused bug days, too.
(08:48:48 PM) inode0: how many active triagers do you have now if you know?
(08:49:12 PM) jds2001: no idea
(08:49:55 PM) inode0: ok, what percentage of bugs are generally
outstanding? how large the problem is sort of what I'm looking for?
(08:50:01 PM) jds2001: 14 according to our page
(08:50:26 PM) inode0: 14 seems way too small a group
(08:50:38 PM) jds2001: mcepl gave us bad news today though :(
(08:51:13 PM) vwbusguy-: ok, I gotta go to bed
(08:51:14 PM) jds2001: 22:26 < mcepl> poelcat: I am not sure in which
all places I have reported my situation ...
(08:51:17 PM) jds2001: 22:27 < mcepl> my wife broke her foot, so I got
daddy-cares-for-children medical leave to watch over kids. I will
probably be around IRC after 15:00 EST, but I cannot promise anything
regular for next couple of weeks (three or four)
(08:52:39 PM) ke4qqq: so does everyone now feel comfortable and feel
like you can go start triaging?
(08:52:52 PM) inode0: I started tonight!
(08:53:19 PM) jds2001: more importantly, can we pick up new
contributors at events and such?
(08:53:25 PM) pcalarco: I'm willing to give it a shot; seems like it
is a good learning opportunity as well
(08:53:27 PM) inode0: I don't feel entirely comfortable but will try
to continue and ask question in fedora-qa this week
(08:53:28 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: I don't intend to do much of it, but I
understand it better
(08:53:47 PM) ***jds2001 will have my GXP-2000 sometime soon, so call
me if you have issues!
(08:53:50 PM) herlo: I like that I can help others do this if they
don't know what else they can do since its pretty simple...
(08:54:11 PM) ke4qqq: so can we take the action item to do 10 by next
week so we can talk intelligently about bug triaging?
(08:54:38 PM) ke4qqq: anyone find that offensive??
(08:54:41 PM) inode0: Maybe those of us who are interested should
attend the meeting of triagers next week
(08:54:48 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh +1
(08:54:58 PM) ***ke4qqq claims inode0 as a recruit :)
(08:55:04 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(08:55:10 PM) inode0: we can give some feedback about our experience
(08:55:20 PM) jds2001: we would love that!
(08:55:29 PM) ***inode0 was already in the group but as a jds2001 guinnea pig
(08:55:37 PM) jds2001: 14:00UTC Tuesday right here!
(08:55:47 PM) jds2001: pcalarco: you learn a lot
(08:55:55 PM) herlo: jds2001: what time is that EDT?
(08:56:01 PM) jds2001: herlo: 10:00
(08:56:11 PM) inode0: I think if some of get a decent feel for it we
will also be more comfortable encouraging others
(08:56:26 PM) ke4qqq: exactly inode0
(08:56:40 PM) herlo: jds2001: so I could possible make one of thos
emeetings when I'm home then
(08:57:01 PM) inode0: we are about 1 hour in, anything else for
jds2001 before we close this and move on?
(08:57:03 PM) jds2001: sure, you normally lecturing at that time or something?
(08:57:14 PM) jds2001: if you have to come and go, that's fine too :)
(08:57:56 PM) jds2001: am I getting kicked out or something? :)
(08:58:01 PM) ke4qqq: jds2001: can you or poelcat run reports for us
next tuesday so we can see how many bugs we have done
(08:58:06 PM) inode0: my impression is that beginners can work on
really low hanging fruit, more experience triagers can do more
(08:58:15 PM) jds2001: inode0: exactly
(08:58:33 PM) herlo: jds2001: no kicking you out, you rock
(08:58:46 PM) jds2001: REALLY low hanging fruit is stuff that's been
in needinfo for 30 days+
(08:59:00 PM) jds2001: trying to either nudge it along or closing it.
(08:59:05 PM) ke4qqq: yes - I had a query for that somewhere
(08:59:08 PM) inode0: not trying to rush you but we don't want a 3
hour long meeting either :)
(08:59:10 PM) jds2001: we have templates for common actions like that.
(08:59:19 PM) jds2001: aww, why not?
(08:59:25 PM) jds2001: FESCo has two hours now :)
(08:59:28 PM) VileGent: anyway we can have another meeting next tuesday
(08:59:44 PM) VileGent: evening
(08:59:56 PM) inode0: yes, we'll do some followup at the triage
meeting next week
(08:59:58 PM) jds2001: well i think stickster is joining us next evening
(09:00:02 PM) jds2001: next tuesday
(09:00:12 PM) ke4qqq: http://tinyurl.com/3sl24r <-- needinfo
greater than 30 days query iirc.
(09:00:18 PM) VileGent: the problem is the day job
(09:00:25 PM) ke4qqq: VileGent: we have a meeting every tuesday evening
(09:00:39 PM) jds2001: VileGent: and I'm around most of the time.
(09:00:41 PM) inode0: moving on now ... I think we should hear a bit
of a report on FADNA and OLF
(09:00:49 PM) jds2001: indeed.
(09:01:15 PM) ***jds2001 hears crickets instead
(09:01:23 PM) ***lcafiero wants to hear about the melee at the bar
(09:01:24 PM) inode0: jump right in
(09:01:39 PM) DemonJester: lcafiero: I won ;-)
(09:01:40 PM) jds2001: well, I got to OLF on Friday
(09:02:01 PM) jds2001: bpepple picked me up at the airport, we then
went and picked up stickster.
(09:02:11 PM) inode0: hrm
(09:02:33 PM) inode0: maybe a little too detailed there jds2001
(09:02:33 PM) jds2001: not the report you were looking for?
(09:02:42 PM) DemonJester: lol
(09:02:55 PM) inode0: impressions of booth on Saturday? fabulous success?
(09:03:04 PM) herlo: aye aye
(09:03:12 PM) DemonJester: +1
(09:03:19 PM) ke4qqq: yes
(09:03:36 PM) ke4qqq: we are still having stuff come in
(09:03:45 PM) herlo: I think the main thing I took from OLF was that
we're going to be seing more geek families at community conferences
(09:03:56 PM) herlo: because of things like the OLPC
(09:04:01 PM) ke4qqq: OLF is strange though
(09:04:01 PM) jds2001: yeah, and that's a great thing
(09:04:05 PM) herlo: :) yep!
(09:04:08 PM) inode0: hanging around most of the day I thought that
the Fedora and Ubuntu booths seemed the busiest by quite a bit
(09:04:15 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: no, I don't think it will be
(09:04:18 PM) ke4qqq: because there is no cost to attend
(09:04:25 PM) ke4qqq: families can come with 'dad'
(09:04:28 PM) ke4qqq: or 'mom'
(09:04:35 PM) ke4qqq: otherwise they might not
(09:04:41 PM) crossbytes: families meaning spouses or kids also?
(09:04:45 PM) ***jds2001 was at the Fedora booth most of the day
(09:04:48 PM) jds2001: crossbytes: kids too
(09:04:48 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: yeah, but I went to SCaLE and it seemed
that there were younger people ther too
(09:04:54 PM) ke4qqq: really....
(09:05:07 PM) herlo: not quite as many since it cost more
(09:05:10 PM) ke4qqq: hmmm I wouldn't pay 65 for a kid to attend a
conference, but that's just me
(09:05:23 PM) herlo: and they were generally at least 12
(09:05:32 PM) VileGent: ke4qqq, i did
(09:05:35 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: I wouldnt either
(09:05:38 PM) ke4qqq: OLF had lots younger than that.
(09:05:38 PM) inode0: I'd like to hear about the first experience we
had with our first event box
(09:05:39 PM) crossbytes: was there a spin for edu for the kids/families?
(09:05:55 PM) ke4qqq: ohhhhh crossbytes there is but we didn't have it
(09:06:13 PM) inode0: good thing to note for future conferences
(09:06:17 PM) VileGent: corssbytes that is a good idea
(09:06:57 PM) inode0: did the event box work well?
(09:07:06 PM) DemonJester: can we get it on a pressed cd ;-)
(09:07:06 PM) VileGent: appeared to
(09:07:15 PM) jds2001: it worked out faboulously as far as i could see.
(09:07:15 PM) herlo: DemonJester: yes
(09:07:15 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: unlikely
(09:07:25 PM) inode0: Is there anything new to put into the event box? :)
(09:07:28 PM) ke4qqq: it was really nice - I am envious and want to buy one now
(09:07:33 PM) herlo: DemonJester: but it would be in short runs and
(09:07:35 PM) ke4qqq: we put the AP in it
(09:07:53 PM) jds2001: ke4qqq: that was a joke :)
(09:07:57 PM) herlo: yep and there's tons of CDs and swag
(09:08:00 PM) VileGent: inode0, more buttons more stickers
(09:08:01 PM) inode0: No announcements?
(09:08:16 PM) jds2001: I'll be at CPOSC this weekend.
(09:08:19 PM) inode0: Little tiny announcements?
(09:08:29 PM) DemonJester: me too.
(09:08:37 PM) inode0: From the best sponsor at OLF?
(09:08:45 PM) pcalarco: hehe
(09:09:06 PM) ke4qqq: ohhhh
(09:09:07 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh
(09:09:11 PM) ke4qqq: yeah my new favorite
(09:09:14 PM) ke4qqq: hardware vendor
(09:09:20 PM) crossbytes: so is the event box coming to Portland?
(09:09:28 PM) inode0: why is this like pulling teeth? :)
(09:09:45 PM) herlo: crossbytes: for what?
(09:09:45 PM) ke4qqq: HP has agreed to send us a mini-note for each
region - to put in our eventboxes
(09:09:54 PM) jds2001: crossbytes: what's in portland?
(09:09:57 PM) inode0: opa! opa! opa!
(09:09:58 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: I don't know :)
(09:10:08 PM) lcafiero: Lindependence Portland
(09:10:12 PM) VileGent: inode0, dont know what you are hinting at
(09:10:12 PM) lcafiero: On Oct. 25
(09:10:20 PM) ke4qqq: wow
(09:10:24 PM) inode0: So we have both a mini-note and an XO per event box
(09:10:30 PM) herlo: yup
(09:10:30 PM) lcafiero: LinuxKnight and I are going to rep Fedora at the event.
(09:10:42 PM) ke4qqq: or we will - supposed to ship first of next week
from what I hear
(09:10:44 PM) jds2001: cool, how big?
(09:10:49 PM) herlo: lcafiero: well, its going to PA this weekend, but
it can get shipped after that
(09:10:53 PM) ke4qqq: lcafiero: you need to talk to DemonJester
(09:10:59 PM) ke4qqq: he will have it after the event
(09:11:03 PM) inode0: Really great news and a big thanks to both HP and OLPC
(09:11:03 PM) herlo: lcafiero: how many people are going to be there?
(09:11:06 PM) jds2001: lcafiero: do you have a budget for that?
(09:11:09 PM) herlo: not that it maters?
(09:11:27 PM) herlo: lcafiero: just reply here
(09:11:41 PM) DemonJester: FSOSS in toronto is also next week
(09:11:48 PM) herlo: oh, wow
(09:11:49 PM) ke4qqq: ohhhh - we may need
(09:11:53 PM) ke4qqq: to replicate
(09:11:57 PM) herlo: quickly
(09:11:58 PM) ke4qqq: does FSOSS have budget
(09:12:06 PM) ke4qqq: wait I still have plenty of budget
(09:12:07 PM) herlo: the box is only $180
(09:12:08 PM) lcafiero: We're in good shape for Portland. We really
only need media, stickers, etc.
(09:12:12 PM) ke4qqq: but can I get it that fast
(09:12:14 PM) DemonJester: not sure I havent talked to chris yet
(09:12:23 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: I got mine in 4 days
(09:12:24 PM) ke4qqq: lcafiero: have you gotten media squared away
(09:12:43 PM) inode0: we should find the $180 to get a second one asap I think
(09:12:48 PM) DemonJester: the event box only has live cds left
(09:13:05 PM) herlo: we'll need banners and to duplicate other stuff too
(09:13:06 PM) ke4qqq: yaakov has media squared away already
(09:13:09 PM) ke4qqq: yep
(09:13:10 PM) jds2001: DemonJester: we've got 75 DVD's on the way
(09:13:19 PM) ***inode0 votes to just use discretionary funds if necessary
(09:13:39 PM) jds2001: we can probably restock at CPOSC
(09:13:40 PM) herlo: iWolf still has plenty of money left over from OLF bw
(09:13:50 PM) lcafiero: If we can't get media, we'll make our own.
That's what the Cabrillo College GNU/Linux Users Group did for Fedora
9 disks for Lindependence Felton in July
(09:13:56 PM) ***inode0 is going to ding that
(09:14:22 PM) herlo: lcafiero: how many ppl show up
(09:14:27 PM) ke4qqq: where do we get banners and stuff?
(09:14:35 PM) DemonJester: lcafiero: contact alex for the media,
stickers and shirts I am not sure about though
(09:14:44 PM) inode0: I would like to defer further discussion of this
so we can summarize the FADNA event quickly on the record
(09:14:51 PM) ke4qqq: no stickers or shirts left
(09:14:54 PM) herlo: well, I think banners and stickers and things
need to get done locally
(09:14:58 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: good point
(09:15:22 PM) ke4qqq: so we have had a request to show up at two
conferences from OLF
(09:15:36 PM) ke4qqq: stickster: was interviewed on one podcast
(09:15:43 PM) ke4qqq: and is scheduled on another (TLLTS)
(09:15:58 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: which conferences?
(09:16:02 PM) ke4qqq: and we had some impromptu nerdcore
(09:16:11 PM) ke4qqq: pycon (they want us to send two speakers)
(09:16:15 PM) ke4qqq: and pyohio
(09:16:32 PM) herlo: lol, the nerdcore rap ruled!
(09:16:41 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: I would love to go to pycon
(09:16:41 PM) jds2001: we have developers that go to pycon anyways
(09:16:44 PM) inode0: Did anyone go to FADNA?
(09:16:51 PM) jds2001: but I can go to pycon too.
(09:16:54 PM) herlo: inode0: what's FANDA?
(09:17:02 PM) herlo: er FADNA?
(09:17:11 PM) herlo: didn't we just have that?
(09:17:14 PM) ke4qqq: ohhhh sorry thought we were talking about OLF
(09:17:17 PM) jds2001: i think so.
(09:17:33 PM) ***jds2001 all confuzzled now
(09:17:38 PM) herlo: yup
(09:17:43 PM) inode0: We were talking about OLF, wanted to get a
summary of FADNA as well
(09:18:01 PM) herlo: inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADNA2008
(09:18:03 PM) herlo: its on that page
(09:18:16 PM) herlo: specifically:
(09:18:22 PM) herlo: thank pcalarco for that
(09:18:24 PM) inode0: Great, thanks pcalarco and whoever else
contributed to recording it
(09:18:36 PM) pcalarco: np
(09:18:45 PM) jds2001: and i somehow abscounded with a FADNA t-shirt, sorry :(
(09:19:03 PM) ke4qqq: WOW, pcalarco did great notes!
(09:19:13 PM) inode0: ok, oops
(09:19:16 PM) herlo: inode0: I have the recording but haven't posted it yet
(09:19:30 PM) pcalarco: librarians tend to be compulsive like that lol
(09:19:57 PM) inode0: was about to open the floor and redirect
discussion to portland
(09:19:59 PM) herlo: jds2001: it's okay, I ended up with an extra
medium if anyone wants a shirt
(09:20:09 PM) herlo: inode0: sounds good
(09:20:27 PM) inode0: I'll open the floor to any other discussion now
(09:20:49 PM) pcalarco: !
(09:20:54 PM) ***herlo is listening to nerdcore rapper DualCore!
(09:20:55 PM) inode0: go ahead pcalarco
(09:21:25 PM) pcalarco: i was thinking we could start working with our
regionals to organize ourselves at the state level more
(09:21:52 PM) pcalarco: I started looking at the Ubuntu groups LoCo
and think we should follow a similar model
(09:21:58 PM) inode0: I think that makes a lot of sense especially for Indiana
(09:22:12 PM) herlo: pcalarco: that was my original idea of the FAmNA structure
(09:22:15 PM) pcalarco: we have six ambassadors here
(09:22:18 PM) inode0: once there are several ambassadors in a state
(09:22:45 PM) crossbytes: I have been trying to find others in Washington . .
(09:22:48 PM) herlo: they can run themselves
(09:23:03 PM) pcalarco: great, vmbusguys and I will follow up with
iwolf and get the others active too
(09:23:17 PM) inode0: keep us posted
(09:23:25 PM) pcalarco: will do
(09:23:31 PM) herlo: crossbytes: cool
(09:23:45 PM) herlo: it seems I've lost LinuxKnight a little
(09:24:10 PM) VileGent: i have sent emails to the linux groups on the
west side of Virginia
(09:24:32 PM) inode0: which reminds me
(09:24:42 PM) VileGent: offering my help and support
(09:25:01 PM) ke4qqq: outstanding VileGent!
(09:25:03 PM) inode0: I couldn't help but notice that the respins flew
out the door at OLF as fast as they could be produced
(09:25:17 PM) VileGent: re-spins
(09:25:25 PM) crossbytes: Which respins?
(09:25:26 PM) inode0: sorry
(09:25:38 PM) pcalarco: Fedora Unity respins
(09:25:49 PM) ***VileGent directs crossbytes to
(09:25:52 PM) inode0: I think perhaps we should plan if possible to
get those to as many events as possible when timely
(09:25:58 PM) crossbytes: KDE /XFCE ??
(09:26:05 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: the problem is really cost.....
(09:26:08 PM) herlo: VileGent: get used to people not spelling that right :)
(09:26:14 PM) VileGent: i am
(09:26:18 PM) crossbytes: sorry..
(09:26:18 PM) VileGent: and have been
(09:26:20 PM) inode0: even if we use volunteer burners
(09:26:21 PM) ***herlo likes respins better than re-spins :)
(09:26:30 PM) VileGent: herlo tough
(09:26:45 PM) herlo: VileGent: not really, I can use whatever I like :)
(09:26:48 PM) VileGent: respins are livemedia re-spins are repackaging
(09:27:03 PM) herlo: ugh, that's not really a differentiation
(09:27:20 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh is that what you are talking about all day?
(09:27:28 PM) herlo: no wonder people have a hard time understanding it
(09:27:29 PM) VileGent: respins are livemedia re-spins are repackaging
of the distro released isos with updates
(09:27:40 PM) inode0: directs squabbling ambassadors to
#fedora-ambassadors to discuss the semantic of re-spins vs. respins
(09:27:46 PM) herlo: that has *got* to change
(09:28:04 PM) DemonJester: so where is the event box going after PA?
(09:28:04 PM) inode0: anything else before we close in 3 minutes?
(09:28:15 PM) inode0: 2 minutes?
(09:28:16 PM) DemonJester: portland or toronto
(09:28:19 PM) ke4qqq: yes we need to get that squared away
(09:28:36 PM) herlo: Portland
(09:28:42 PM) lcafiero: We can yield to toronto -- I'll have a Intel
and PPC laptops running f9
(09:28:45 PM) herlo: it belongs in the west
(09:28:54 PM) ke4qqq: true
(09:28:55 PM) herlo: that's my only argument
(09:28:58 PM) ke4qqq: it's wests
(09:29:03 PM) ke4qqq: so herlo tell us where you want it
(09:29:08 PM) lcafiero: But I do need media and swag.
(09:29:10 PM) DemonJester: I send it where you tell me too.
(09:29:19 PM) lcafiero: +1 to west, if we can get it :-)
(09:29:25 PM) herlo: hang on
(09:29:31 PM) herlo: I asked this question already
(09:29:37 PM) herlo: but haven't had an answer
(09:29:40 PM) jds2001: ke4qqq: i can work on building one for the
east if you'd like.'
(09:29:43 PM) herlo: how many people will be at each event?
(09:29:47 PM) VileGent: so event box cost 180?
(09:29:51 PM) herlo: yup
(09:29:54 PM) lcafiero: I don't know about Portland -- 100+
(09:29:55 PM) ***inode0 thinks while we have only one it makes sense
to ship it to the largest event but will defer to others
(09:29:56 PM) ke4qqq: no far more
(09:29:56 PM) jds2001: just the box
(09:29:57 PM) DemonJester: FSOSS about 300
(09:30:10 PM) herlo: jds2001: $180 yes
(09:30:14 PM) herlo: for just the box
(09:30:17 PM) ke4qqq: lcafiero: what's ur budget
(09:30:55 PM) inode0: meeting enters extra minutes or whatever those
football people call it
(09:30:59 PM) crossbytes: Portland is going to be F9 and F10beta? or just F9?
(09:31:01 PM) ke4qqq: yeah banners will cost more than that.
(09:31:07 PM) lcafiero: Overtime, or sudden death.
(09:31:07 PM) herlo: inode0: overtime
(09:31:23 PM) inode0: no, they don't call it either of those
(09:31:27 PM) DemonJester: shoot-out :-)
(09:31:32 PM) herlo: sudden death only happens in playoffs and hockey
(09:31:34 PM) lcafiero: I would like to have F9 for Portland
(09:31:44 PM) lcafiero: I do have F10 beta on one of the laptops, the intel one.
(09:31:48 PM) herlo: lcafiero: how many people
(09:31:59 PM) crossbytes: I have F10 on our ASUS EEE
(09:32:00 PM) herlo: oh, now I see it
(09:32:05 PM) jds2001: I'll bring my rawhide lappy to PA, as well.
(09:32:22 PM) jds2001: one thing that we missed at OLF
(09:32:23 PM) lcafiero: I think Portland will draw at least 100, probably more.
(09:32:37 PM) VileGent: toronto how many attendees
(09:32:40 PM) DemonJester: chris (FSOSS) has not asked for the event
box if that means anything
(09:32:56 PM) DemonJester: according to the event page 300
(09:33:01 PM) inode0: doesn't mean anything to me, does he know it is
available to him?
(09:33:09 PM) pcalarco: I think the Toronto show is quite small at this point?
(09:33:19 PM) herlo: send it to Portland, but
(09:33:23 PM) DemonJester: ask paul he is going to it
(09:33:46 PM) herlo: send some of the media off to toronto
(09:33:51 PM) herlo: what do you think of that?
(09:33:55 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: why?
(09:34:00 PM) ke4qqq: alex can send media to toronto
(09:34:02 PM) ke4qqq: or with paul
(09:34:04 PM) herlo: oh
(09:34:06 PM) herlo: okay
(09:34:11 PM) ke4qqq: we're okay with media
(09:34:14 PM) ke4qqq: I think
(09:34:17 PM) VileGent: at this point toronto 300 vs portland 100
(09:34:28 PM) lcafiero: Looks like toronto wins.
(09:34:31 PM) ***inode0 thinks toronto
(09:34:34 PM) DemonJester: I am pinging stickster now to ask about the
(09:34:37 PM) ke4qqq: but toronto will have more people
(09:34:39 PM) lcafiero: Give us media and stuff and we'll be fine
(09:34:40 PM) ***jds2001 votes Toronto
(09:34:45 PM) herlo: right, its not enough to make that big of a difference
(09:34:55 PM) ke4qqq: from fedora
(09:35:05 PM) herlo: the eventbox could go either way
(09:35:07 PM) ke4qqq: my concern is shipping
(09:35:11 PM) herlo: right
(09:35:19 PM) ke4qqq: chris doesn't know to budget for it
(09:35:20 PM) herlo: it only cost $37 to ship it to OLF
(09:35:23 PM) DemonJester: 4 days to go cross country
(09:35:23 PM) crossbytes: There is no LUG in Vancouver to help out I
do not know about Portland LUG
(09:35:25 PM) ke4qqq: and lcafiero has no budget for it
(09:35:26 PM) inode0: isn't it possible for us to order another and
begin provisioning it in portland?
(09:35:29 PM) lcafiero: We don't really need the box in Portland, again.
(09:35:32 PM) herlo: DemonJester: right
(09:35:46 PM) inode0: you can use my share of discretionary funds to
pay for most of it
(09:36:19 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: the box yes, posters and banners probably not
(09:36:30 PM) inode0: start provisioning it ...
(09:36:32 PM) lcafiero: In Portland, LinuxKnight and I are going to
staff the table.
(09:36:35 PM) ke4qqq: we'd need to get them designed (or the old files
(09:36:40 PM) lcafiero: Others in the area are welcome.
(09:36:54 PM) lcafiero: I am going to be up there speaking at OSU on
the thursday prior to the event.
(09:37:04 PM) lcafiero: In corvallis, then up to portland.
(09:37:19 PM) jds2001: lcafiero: have you talked to poelcat?
(09:37:25 PM) herlo: lcafiero: I can help you get other stuff. What
do you need?
(09:37:53 PM) ke4qqq: but you are right we need to start provisioning it
(09:37:54 PM) crossbytes: could u send mor info on your talk would
like to attend..
(09:38:05 PM) lcafiero: Are you in corvallis crossbytes
(09:38:06 PM) lcafiero: ?
(09:38:16 PM) crossbytes: No in Vancouver WA
(09:38:40 PM) ***stickster puts head up
(09:38:43 PM) stickster: DemonJester: wha?
(09:38:58 PM) DemonJester: stickster: how many are attending FSOSS event?
(09:39:18 PM) stickster: I don't know.
(09:39:19 PM) inode0: aha, we enter extra minutes and our fearless
leader shows up to score the winning goal!
(09:39:24 PM) stickster: DemonJester: You'll have to ask ctyler.
(09:39:47 PM) DemonJester: stickster: ok thanks.
(09:39:55 PM) stickster: Who is DemonJester?
(09:40:11 PM) ***DemonJester Brian Powell
(09:40:18 PM) stickster: ah
(09:40:21 PM) stickster: k
(09:40:26 PM) VileGent: ok who spiked sticksters drinks this weekend
(09:41:13 PM) DemonJester: so is it going to Toronto or Portland, I
dont remember seeing a definitive answer
(09:41:19 PM) herlo: crossbytes: that's pretty close to lcafiero
(09:41:27 PM) inode0: we need to wrap this meeting up in time for it
to start again next week guys
(09:41:36 PM) crossbytes: yes just a few minutes
(09:42:17 PM) lcafiero: I yielded to toronto.
(09:42:22 PM) inode0: conversation can continue after the meeting
unless there is something you need to get into the record ...
(09:42:23 PM) lcafiero: For the record.
(09:42:40 PM) inode0: thanks lcafiero
(09:42:47 PM) lcafiero: With the proviso that I actually DO need media
(09:42:57 PM) inode0: I still think we should try to get you a new box ....
(09:43:18 PM) lcafiero: I have a sort of box that I made up -- I guess
it's closer to an ambassador box than an event box
(09:43:22 PM) lcafiero: But it has a lot of stuff.
(09:43:35 PM) lcafiero: Lindependence Felton wiped me out of disks, though.
(09:43:51 PM) inode0: one of us will make sure you get media
(09:44:04 PM) ke4qqq: lets move this discussion back to f-a since this
is closing out
(09:44:25 PM) lcafiero: Okay. I have to go back to class, though. The
instructor thinks I'm actually doing schoolwork here.
(09:44:29 PM) inode0: 30 seconds to close ...
(09:44:35 PM) ***lcafiero busted by professor . . . .
(09:44:52 PM) pcalarco: g'nite all
(09:44:59 PM) inode0: opa! opa! opa! EOF
(09:45:07 PM) pcalarco: exit
(09:45:07 PM) inode0: thanks everyone as always
(09:45:15 PM) ke4qqq: thanks inode0
(09:45:20 PM) herlo: thre he goes
(09:45:23 PM) jds2001: thx inode0 for hosting
(09:45:27 PM) herlo: no more lcafiero
(09:45:34 PM) inode0: thanks jds2001 for bearing with us
(09:45:59 PM) jds2001: np, i just think that herlo might punch my face
in tomorrow :)
(09:46:12 PM) herlo: lol, why?
(09:46:22 PM) VileGent: jds2001, run he wont
(09:46:24 PM) herlo: jds2001: I wouldn't do that
(09:46:37 PM) jds2001: hehe i know
(09:46:39 PM) ***herlo might tackle VileGent though :)
(09:46:51 PM) jds2001: you did a good job playing devil
(09:46:59 PM) jds2001: devil's advocate ,that is.
(09:47:02 PM) crossbytes: fyi I thought lcafiero was in Portland he is in Calif.
(09:47:04 PM) herlo: lol
(09:47:06 PM) ***jds2001 hates pressing enter too soon
(09:50:34 PM) ***inode0 observes that stickster's kick sailed high
over the crossbar
(09:51:39 PM) inode0: and one afterthough, I'd like to thank and
ambassadors who made it to OLF and participated in FADNA
(09:51:50 PM) inode0: it was a great and productive time for all
(09:52:54 PM) ke4qqq: yes it was
(09:59:00 PM) VileGent: see you there next year