I've received today an email from Eduardo Villagrán Morales who say he
send a mail to FAmSCo to request visual material, like flyers, banners
He said, also, that he had requested 20 DVDs for Flisol (14 April)(see
the request below the message). Is possible to send him those DVDs in
time? Are those just sent?
This is his message he sent me this morning:
I requestd 20 DVD for Flisol 2007 Santiago de Chile, but deadline is
April 14. I need know if this material will be send soon.
The other point, I sent a mail to FamSco requesting some visual material
as flyer, banner, etc and requesting financial help if visual material
is not available. I dont have answer from FamSco.
Can you tell me what happend?.
Eduardo Villagrán Morales
Fedora Ambassador - Chile
Following Fedora Abmassador requested media for:
Flisol 2007, Santiago de Chile on 28 of April
Confirm to Eduardo VillagrÃ¡n Morales <evillagr(a)fedoraproject.org> and
Ship 20 Fedora x86 Media to:
Eduardo VillagrÃ¡n Morales
8150000 PUENTE ALTO
________________ Messaggio originale ________________
Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors
Autore: Francesco Ugolini <francesco.ugolini(a)fedoraproject.org>
Data: 05 aprile 2007 15:21:32
Sorry, but what I'm doing here? Am i joking? Or what?
Ok, i know I'm not a perfect manager but i want to remember what Thomas
is doing for this project: hi is managing all the request made by
Ambassadors, he is improving the communications trough Fedora News, and
giving new ideas for the project.
For the rest, people are working hard in the FAmSCo list and in the real
world. Took the example of Rodrigo that is managing one of the biggest
community (Latin America) and working to make the Ambassadors goals
So, we can't be everywhere and we can't accomplish all the requests but
we are trying to make our better, but we need the help of the community.
I agree with you about the good and hard work all you are made.
But I have a little idea that don't create problem:What do you think about give some task that the ambassadors can made?We can create a task list with some task that the ambassadors can make.In this way the ambassadors that want can help.In this way there are no problem if some one don't have the possibility to help.
Bart Couvreur ha scritto:
> Jeffrey Tadlock schreef:
>> Francesco Ugolini wrote:
>>> We have to shake inactive people with new rules. I know it seems a bad
>>> thing, and in a certain view I agree, but it's the only way. Personally
>>> I'm hurt to see people that are doing nothing, because they don't
>>> respect people who work, and in this project we have a lot of people
>>> that every day talk with people and promote Fedora.
>> We don't *have* to do anything. The cons to this proposal outweigh the
>> pros and have been brought up by many others on this mailing list. We
>> stand to gain little by taking what will be perceived by many a negative
>> action and stand to alienate ambassadors who are out there supporting
>> Fedora though they might be neglecting to report every action to the list.
>> This is certainly not the *only* way. People are more likely to
>> participate in a positive and supportive group. Not one that is looking
>> to mark people's names from a list because they failed to report
>> everything they are doing. That is *not* the way to gain participation.
>> If you want increased communication figure out why people aren't
>> reporting. Make participating at events easier. Let's focus all of
>> this energy towards something positive instead of this internal noise.
>> Let's work to get more Fedora users - not build animosity amongst our
>> own volunteers.
>> You also have to remember this is a volunteer group. Some people may
>> only have time to hand out a few DVDs or talk to people in their area
>> about Fedora. If an ambassador were to only hand out one DVD a year and
>> not report it - I would still keep that person as an ambassador without
>> a label.
> A complete +1
>>> If we want to close our eyes, ok, but it's not the better system. We
>>> have to give a new chance to Ambassadors Project to improve itself.
>> I don't think many have suggested closing their eyes. Many have
>> suggested focusing on *positive* changes or means to encourage
>>> Personally i prefer 100 people that work than 400 that do nothing.
>> And this comes around again - what is FAMSCO's opinion on this. I have
>> yet to see any of the other FAMSCO members weigh in on this.
> Yes, and this is also my question. It's also a reason why I haven't
> responded to the thread at all (I've been reading all).
> On what kind of level has there been any discussion about this in Famsco
> and what have you guys decided / discussed.
> If you want more communication / reports from ambassadors, Famsco should
> do the same, e.g.: not only in meetings but also on mailing-list etc. (I
> know this is a different issue, call it an example)
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In front of the LinuxTag 2007 is a FAD. Mostly for briefing and
organizing the open issues about LinuxTag, but there is a lot of other
stuff to discuss (see ML), too. This FAD will be hold at Berlin at May
Please visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2007
There is a section "Attendees". Add yourself to the list if you are able
to join us at the second FAD or you are an attendee at LinuxTag.
The location for the FAD is not determined right now. One option is to
use the garden of the Pegasus hostel but when the weather is bad and
there are more than 5 people we need a backup plan. In this case it
would be very useful when we know how many ambassadors will be there.
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With this message I want to clarify my position over Fedora
Active/Inactive status. Please don't reply to this, just read it. Thank you
My proposal born to improve the communication between Ambassadors,
because i thought (and i think) that if we are together we can work
better. I don't want to fire someone and i don't want to do something
unclear or undemocratic.
What I've proposed, i know, sounded as a radical strategy, but, at the
beginning, intentionally, i do this to focus the attention over the topic.
Many of us misunderstood (and I'm guilty) my words, i didn't want to
fear people, i would only to start a discussion all together, to know
your ideas and opinions to work better each others, and to understand
what people would.
Now, we have to focus on next challenges, like the new Fedora 7, Events
(e.g. LinuxTag), FEI and Fedora Talking Points.
Sorry if i used your time for this issue, i hope this discussion could
The thread about Fedora European Infrastructure (FEI) has been silent
for quite a while – too long IMHO. It would be a pity if this idea
went down, because we have the possibility to enhance the
infrastructure in Europe now, and chances like this don't come along
By now, European Ambassadors are dependent from RedHat US when it
comes to shipping dvds, merchandise, or having money for events etc.
If the FEI idea succeeds, Europe could have its own budget (and more
autonomy), and FEI will decide who will get the money.
I've got the impression that there is no clear picture of what FEI
would do and what it would be good for. Let give me some very simple
„use cases" of what FEI could do.
Someone wants to do a fedora booth on an important event. For costs
like printing flyers, merchandise, travelling and hotel he can ask FEI
who will decide if and how much money from the budget he will get.
Some events are more important than others, and the budget may not be
enough to cover all of them. FEI will create a public list with events
who have to be covered (with the help of all European Ambassadors).
Someone experiences problems while organising an event (this problems
may be: finances, the application for the event or others) FEI is the
point of contact.
Non-local European events (like Fosdem or European FADs) where
Ambassadors from all over Europe/the world will meet will be
coordinated by FEI.
French Ambassadors have made the decision to create a local entity. If
Ambassadors from a country do so, they will have all the support from
FEI (and from all other Ambassadors, too, of course). Creating a local
entity though is a lot of work which is not Fedora specific, meaning
the work is mostly bureaucratic and centering at legal tasks. This is
- with FEI - not imperatively needed, because FEI will create the
missing infrastructure and step in, especially where Europeans feel
left behind. But if Ambassadors from a country are still convinced
that they need a legal entity, they merit the support from all of us.
The question if FEI should be a legal entity: personally, I wouldn't
like it, because FEI is not there for doing bureaucratic tasks. But
this point should be clarified by a lawyer, to be sure that there
won't be any legal problems.
Another proposition on this list was to wait till LinuxTag to discuss
the subject over there. I think it's better to discuss and make the
decision here, because this is an important subject where everybody
should have the possibility to discuss about and get involved. Let's
use Linuxtag as a place to officially launch FEI. Chitlesh and I think
Gerold will be the perfect ambassador to cut the ribbon ;-)
Now, I ask every Ambassador on this list: take five minutes and think
about this idea, and how we can get it to work. Then reply here, or
better: speed to the wikipage to edit it
And last but not least: if you are interested in becoming the FEI,
raise your hand!
I know that it isn't an happy discussion but it's necessary to solve
this BIG problem: Many ambassadors are inactive both in real world and
virtually (M-L, weekly meetings etc...).
I think we have to find a solution and my proposal is this one:
- After a year of inactivity an Ambassador will be marked Inactive (in
both personal and global ambassadors pages).
- If he will do anything for six month after he will be marked inactive
he/she will be deleted from AccountSystem and Ambassadors Mailing List.
At the moment of the subscription an advice will alert new member of
The Ambassador that server for two years (or virtually and really (both
are required) the Project will be nominated to be Honored Ambassadors.
Naturally only the members chose by FAmSCo will receive this status.
- Every year FAmSCo will nominate no more than 7 Honored Ambassadors
from community and 3 from RedHat employers that will feed the requirement.
- The difference with the normal Ambassador is that Honored Ambassadors
will be permanent ambassadors.
This is my proposal, now we have to discuss about this one.
I want, first of all, to thank all Ambassadors to have joined the
Sorry for the initial chaos, but, sincerely, i didn't preview that a lot
of Ambassador would join this one. For the next one, i will be more
organized (this week is a strange one for me due to easter activities).
One thing i want to underline is the participation, people explained
their ideas, proposed solutions to many issues and work in a perfect
I have to be sincere, I'm optimist over the future of this project, and,
despite the inactive ambassadors, we are able to face the new challenges
easily and perfectly.
We are a GREAT group, we can work together and we can improve not only
the project but ourselves.
So, congratulation to everybody
Good morning Fedora Ambassadors Team,
The french Ambassador team has the great pleasure to share with you the
weekly minutes meeting.
The goal for us is to give you each week a visibility of our actions.
You can find at this adress the full report in French and Enlish :
French Ambassador Team
llaumgui : GuillaumeKulakowski
Pingoomax : MaximeCarron
Armelk : ArmelKermorvant
DrPixel : ChristophePolyte
TitaX : ThierryDelmonte
trashy : JohanCwiklinski
littlecharly : CharlesVinchon
[splinux] : DamienDurand
William_H : WilliamHoffmann
RemiFedora : Remi Collet
SmootherFrOgZ : XavierLamien
serenity : BenoitMarcelin
1) Fedora-fr organisation
We received papers from the "prefecture", but because of an error we must
llaumgui and MrTom signed all documents and posted them end of this week.
Trashy and MrTom had an appointment togheter about the Fedora-fr
Discussion for the members of honors or benefactors (APRIL, an OEM,
Director of RedHat France, Ikoula), we will make the request on the mail
list of association for a "collegial" validation.
2) Fedora T-shirts
Armelk converted the svg file to EPS format and sended to TiTax. Titax
transmits them to the T-Shirt manufacturer.
The shop is still in construction, we will update some articles on it.
The both responsible about the 1st April joke are TiTax for the logo and
llaumgui to put on line the joke (very funny think and lof of french
peoples the people believed it) .
Some bugs were fixed.
We put in place on the Wiki section a page about platforms manufacturers,
Desktops and Notebooks systems (Acer, Asus, Dell, Nec...) as well as the
components hardware (mother charts, video charts, wifi...), you find it at
this adress : http://doc.fedora-fr.org/Compatibilit%C3%A9_Mat%C3%A9rielle
The idea to have a form so that the users of Fedora can put their hardware
compoments of the configuration at it in order to have a base of data for
Question of drpixel, concerning the proximity of the ambassadors in
France, Belgium... (to refer at this address:
http://www.fedora-fr.org/frappr) and of the events
Return of the discussion of a French newsletter or to translate Fedora
News Letter from Thomas Chung with an addition of Fedora-Fr informations
(Informations of new installation guide, the recurring issue, the events
of Fedora will be present...). The subject continues on the mail list.
4) Fedora & local events
* Fedora at Nantes (44) May 12th, 2007 (Armelk)
* More news this week.
* Fedora at Maubeuge (59) June 02nd and 03rd, 2007 (trashy)
* No more news.
* Fedora ay Montpellier(34) from June, 14th to June 16th , 2007 (llaumgui)
* llaumgui and sereinity will be present for this event.
* Their prepare some slides about Fedora and in parallel their prepare a
demo for a group of 15 to 20 peoples.
Armelk will post to Trashy and llaumgui 2 posters A1 format for the local
event (Fedora Logo and the same logo as on the T-shirts)
5) Fedora Project
Trashy works on new Extras packets submission.
Armelk and Trashy will start to work on a presentation of Fedora 7 before
the release so that we are ready for the next events around Fedora 7.
No more news about translation because MrTom is not present, we will have
more informations next week.
6) FreeMedia Program
No new request for Belgium and no new request for France.
7) Open discussions
Parinux & Fedora make a new appointment for Fedora 7 release, we decided
to go for a new Install Party in Paris in the city of sciences, MrTom
comes back to us with a final date.
Fedora will be present during the RMLL (Rencontres Mondiales du Logiciel
Libre / World Meetings of the Free Software), Armelk will post a message
on the maillist about who are present during this event, if he are more
positive answer he contact the organizers to know the methods in order to
Fedora is present.
Install Party of Lyon, sereinity search always a room for this events.