On 03/28/2012 06:16 PM, Martyn Taylor wrote:
On 03/28/2012 02:55 PM, Matt Wagner wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:34:58AM +0100, Martyn Taylor wrote:
> <snip>
>> I actually think that the /conductor URL should be for the UI only
>> and /conductor/api for the API.
>>
>> You could argue that the UI is simply a different content-type that
>> our RESTful API supports and therefore all requests are the same but
>> content-type is changed. However, I would argue that we treat the UI
>> (in html) very differently from other content-types. The UI has
>> server state, i.e. sessions (which are not RESTful) and also it
>> doesn't only deal with resources. It returns a whole other bunch of
>> stuff for layout and styling. This means that resources change
>> structure depending on where they are accessed. They should be
>> consistent.
> This is an interesting point. But I wonder if the answer might actually
> be that we're doing something wrong if our controllers are spending more
> time on UI setup than on their core function. Session should just be
> used for authentication (and stashing flash messages as a UI
> convenience), and the only change in resource structure should occur if
> you request that it be displayed a different way -- e.g., XML, HTML
> table view, HTML "pretty view", or JSON. You should have the same
> information each way, just formatted differently. If this isn't the
> case, I think we're doing something fundamentally wrong.
The UI should not be part of the API. Instead it should be built on top
of it. We are lucky in the sense that the API and the UI are co-located.
But this does not mean they are one entity. Adding a separate html
content-type to the API is a separate issue. If people think it is
useful, either for constructing the UI or for REST clients. Then I'm all
for that.
The main difference between the UI and the API is that the UI is
consumed by a user+browser. We add extra information in the controllers
and views and store some session state to add to the user experience,
the same way the CLI does a bunch of stuff on top of the Image
management API to make it user friendly.
Regardless of what you store in the session, if the UI stores state
between requests about particular clients, then it is not stateless.
Statelessness is one of the 6 REST contrainsts.
>
>> In addition to this I would recommend keeping the UI and API methods
>> separate (but in the same controller) to keep things cleaner. There
>> is a whole bunch of logic that goes towards layout, styling and a
>> whole bunch of extra stuff is in there that isn't really relevant (in
>> a RESTful API sense). For example, there's probably multiple
>> unrelated resource sets in one page.
> But the whole problem is that right now the UI and API methods _are_
> separate, and this causes needless duplication and divergent code paths,
> where the API and UI methods inevitably do things a little differently
> with negative consequences. I would argue that, rather than separating
> them out, we should merge them and whip them into shape wherever making
> a UI controller method work for API calls isn't trivial.
>
> -- Matt
I was not arguing against merging the controllers. What I am saying is
that the UI and the API are separate entities. If you want to serve them
both from the same controllers then fair enough that makes sense. Helper
methods can be written shared by both UI and API etc... However, what I
want to avoid is one massive method that mixes the UI and API
functionality. What I was more envisaging the API methods to offer a
native ruby content type. That the UI methods can use. For example:
@image = Image.all
when format.xml?
return @images.xml
when format.json
return @images.sjon
else
return @image
end
This way the UI methods can use the API methods in local method calls
and then add whatever extra stuff it needs in order to make the service
usable by a user+browser.
regards
Martyn
Hi Martyn,
do you mean inserting new service layer between models and controllers
(IOW this layer will be Rails free) or is the API layer supposed to be
part of controllers layer?
Jan